sasorry

As i would have expected, excuses.

Good thing I'm damaging your ego.

C'mon man I wanna see your input on why you think naruto is gay.

Vengeance

Actually I'm short about 5'5" & yes I know I'm hot shit.

It's called Karaoke & yes I'm the shit. I've won competitions & been on Japanese TV. It's not my fault that you don't have a hobby that can get you pussy.

As for the model thing, well you wouldn't believe me if I tolled you so what's the point? As for girls I date they're normally Asian Japanese or Korean preferred.

Edit: Anyway we're getting offtopic let's talk more about how Naruto may secretly have the hots for Sasuke.

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Spiegel

Why would it be "retarded" for the role model to be a homosexual. I believe your mixing in your own closed-minded beliefs and simply making illogical opinions because you have some sort of issue you haven't worked out or don't want work out. I can deliever the message of "we can do great things too" just as good as anyone else. Just look at who the president of the United States is now. 60 years ago that was unimaginable yet he is now leading the country. Gays can deliver that message just as effectively.

Throughout the entire series Naruto was presumed heterosexual but we've noticed somethings were kinda off, from our standpoint at least. This series has run for quite a while now, if Naruto is truly gay I honestly don't think Kishi will blatantly have his character declare his sexual orientation just like that. If anything the series will continue going as it is but the possible idea of Naruto being gay will only be underlying message for the astute readers/watchers. You have to consider the demographic that Kishi is aiming for and the type of genre it is. A good example where something like this is portrayed is in Hitman Reborn. This character in the middle panel is obviously gay as opposed to Naruto (theoretically speaking). But it is never openly admitted through the character or the supporting characters, little kids will probably think he's just weird or something but to the more evolved minds like ours (some at least) we know the truth. Kishi (if Naruto is truly gay) is more subtle about it however than Amano Akira (Hitman mangaka).

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Kinako

Ohhhhhhhhh this is all toooooooooo funny!!!!!!!!! I'm happily munching on my Doritos during this little war of words LOL

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Tankynator

I'm NOT implying that, especially NOT AGAIN. I just differentiate between a role model turning homosexual and a homosexuial being/becoming a role model, prefering the latter to show that message of tolerance.

So don't make me look more intolerant than I am.

Now you're making it look like the time's not ripe for a gay main character. Well you do have a point considering the audience is supposed to identify themselves with the main character and I don't think waiting for that will actually solve it.

The best solution for that would be introducing a gay side character. A side character can play either a big or a small role and can be dropped if necessary.

sasorry

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seanizzzle

since you don't seem to understand what i'm saying either, i'm going to explain it to you SLOWLY.....1. you took the whole thing out of context, i was not talking about his english skills in terms of writing, but rather im talking about it in terms of comprehending and reading. You obviously cant read either since i specifically put "read" in brackets to point to what i meant.
2. Just because im too lazy to spell out my words (even though i used the correct grammar and tense) doesn't mean i cant speak english, jack

...and for the purposes of this argument i decided to use complete words, does that mean i can truly speak english now, genius?...hahaha..lol..

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true true, but there is a difference, if i succeed in both examples than i will feel good yes, but if i fail i will still feel good for tring to protect someone that im uninterested in since my reasons was to do the right thing from the start(which is higher reason), so atleast i tried, but if that girl just say thank you and leave than i wont feel good - why? - i was protecting her because i wanted some pussy, that was the point of that, but since i failed in my mission than i feel bad about it, even if it was the right thing to do as well but it wasnt why i did it and i cant even pretend that it was therefore i would just feel bad

and why naruto cant be gay?? because if in the end he save sasuke and than say sasuke i love u 'lake that', than we would all be - aaahhaaa that is why u beg raikage to spare him, and that is why u go nutz against orochimaru and so on...
it would make the whole story cheap and lame and there is no escaping the simple truth of that

Mal

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Originally Posted by sasorry Mal if i fingered you up in the butt... Would you consider yourself gay already?

No, I would instead consider John Lennon's idea of happiness.

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Originally Posted by Tankynator I'm NOT implying that, especially NOT AGAIN. I just differentiate between a role model turning homosexual and a homosexuial being/becoming a role model, prefering the latter to show that message of tolerance. So don't make me look more intolerant than I am.

What good is a message of tolerance that no one listens to?

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Originally Posted by Tankynator Now you're making it look like the time's not ripe for a gay main character. Well you do have a point considering the audience is supposed to identify themselves with the main character and I don't think waiting for that will actually solve it. The best solution for that would be introducing a gay side character. A side character can play either a big or a small role and can be dropped if necessary.

Why is that the best solution?

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Originally Posted by Frog_Hermit true true, but there is a difference, if i succeed in both examples than i will feel good yes, but if i fail i will still feel good for tring to protect someone that im uninterested in since my reasons was to do the right thing from the start(which is higher reason), so atleast i tried, but if that girl just say thank you and leave than i wont feel good - why? - i was protecting her because i wanted some pussy, that was the point of that, but since i failed in my mission than i feel bad about it, even if it was the right thing to do as well but it wasnt why i did it and i cant even pretend that it was therefore i would just feel bad

The results of your actions are independent of your motives.

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Originally Posted by Frog_Hermit and why naruto cant be gay?? because if in the end he save sasuke and than say sasuke i love u 'lake that', than we would all be - aaahhaaa that is why u beg raikage to spare him, and that is why u go nutz against orochimaru and so on... it would make the whole story cheap and lame and there is no escaping the simple truth of that

That is absolutely terrible reasoning. What if it was instead Sakura who ran off and became evil, only to be saved by Naruto and he confess his love for her? How would that be different from Naruto confessing his love for Sasuke? The only difference is your intolerant perception. You're arguing that homosexuals cannot have legitimate, loving relationships.

sasorry

Do you know a main protagonist in a manga that is gay? No sarcasm here.

Your point is kind of wack.

Here are some characters who I know that have some homosexual tendencies.

The clown from Yuyu Hakusho

Hisoka from HxH

Oro

Nikki from Chrono Cross the game

Kuja from FF9

none of them main protagonists, just saying.

Mal

Using an inductive argument for something dependant on people, personalities and social tolerances is a stupid idea.

Tankynator

When did I say that? How exactly did I misformulate my post to already make the second person come to that wrong conclusion? I never posted that and I never meant it that way. I consider myself tolerant but that doesn't cover making me look intolerant.

That's my line, considering how you misinterpreted my post.

Did I mention that I never doubted that here? Yes? Ok, just in case you didn't understand: I didn't.


Because a side character can deliver that message too, by influencing the main character/being a role model. If such a side character isn't well received he can be dropped, but if the sexual orientation of the main character changes and that isn't well received, the whole series could suffer from it, worst case being canceled.
An author has to keep that in mind.

Lalalila

This is proof Naruto is gay, not only him but sasuke too...

Mal

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Originally Posted by Tankynator Because a side character can deliver that message too, by influencing the main character/being a role model. If such a side character isn't well received he can be dropped, but if the sexual orientation of the main character changes and that isn't well received, the whole series could suffer from it, worst case being canceled. An author has to keep that in mind.

Fans are not going to take a side character as seriously as the main character, and they are especially not going to develop a connection with such a character if they are intolerant of his sexuality. Besides, if such a character was dropped or killed off, that would only serve to reinforce existing intolerance. "lol the fag died!!!!!! he should have liked the womenz!!!!lol"
You're assuming that Naruto is currently heterosexual and is going to magically become gay over the course of the manga. Explaining that Naruto has always been gay would be a simple matter of even more liberal use of flashbacks.
What if the author feels their message of tolerance is important enough to risk cancellation? Naruto is all about the "higher reason", correct?

Darth-Nero

1- Complex : main protagonists are gay

2- A Night of a Thousand Dreams : Main protagonists are bi

3- Utsukushii Utsukushii Utsukushii : Main protagonists are bi

4- Arashi no Ato : main character is hetero 1st then gay

5- Crash : main portagonist is bi

(And the mother ship)

6- Utopia of Homosexuality : Main protagonists are gay



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