Skullbat01

while there is support for a homosexual relationship your forgetting the cultural context ITS A MANGA in Japanese society bisexuality is openly accepted remember that naruto loved sakura from the beginning
while the narusasu thing may be subtext i doubt he is gay one way because it would be pointless to have sakura as a crush i think kishi ismaking the suggestions of sexuality purely for interpretations sake take japanese litriture into acount when reading this manga it is THE PRODUCT OF ANOTHER CULTURE WITH NO REGARD TO SEXUAL BOUNDRIES

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Jaxon

Wat.

Wait. You're saying;

• He IS putting the suggestion of homosexuality in there. Deliberately.
• He's putting it in there to be interpreted. Which is what is happening here.

Also, take what Japanese literature into account? State precedent, you really aren't making any point here.

Wat. Japan does have regard for sexual boundaries. What the fuck is your view of Japan, just one big bisexual tentacle orgy?

You might as well just have boiled your post down to "I doubt Naruto is gay". Which is saying absolutely nothing.

tl;dr You're not an expert on Japan. Or probably anything. Stop insinuating that are.

Tankynator

So a post will be ignored if it's too long? Any argument against the opening post that is backed up with proof is bound to be long since the opening post itself is very long.

Oh and this ONE mod did nothing but add fuel to the flames here. There wasn't much of a real discussion.

In the end, the possibility of Naruto being gay is very slim since most of the original arguments are just exaggerations.

Edit: If you want proof search for my posts in this thread.

TheSixthHokage

The true point of this article is to display how irrationally homophobic a lot of people, particularly men, are. I have to admit, I am not a huge fan of Naruto being gay, but at the same time it does make me a bit ashamed of myself that it makes a difference. I think we all just want to subsitute ourselves with the characters at any time and when there is a sexual disconnect, it lessens the immersive quality a bit. That or we just don't support homosexuality. For me, it'd make more sense if Sasuke was homosexual since he has shown NO interest in women at all... but some of the evidence presented was sort of illustrative of Naruto's potential.

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AOTKorby

My point is not that there isn't evidence. Oh yes there is subtext. Lots of subtext. But all throughout the thread, a fair number of people who agree with the first post have instantly condemned anyone who disagreed with it as being homophobic, and telling them to get out, even/especially those who presented counterevidence.

Not only that, any time someone even spoke of disagreement, I saw plenty of people telling them shit like, "Just cause you don't want Naruto to be gay doesn't mean he isn't!", "Face it, he's gay, shut up, you're wrong." etc. Stuff along that line. Particularly shameless was that which came from the mods themselves.

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Tabris

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Originally Posted by Tankynator So a post will be ignored if it's too long? Any argument against the opening post that is backed up with proof is bound to be long since the opening post itself is very long. Oh and this ONE mod did nothing but add fuel to the flames here. There wasn't much of a real discussion. In the end, the possibility of Naruto being gay is very slim since most of the original arguments are just exaggerations. Edit: If you want proof search for my posts in this thread.

1a: yes, we of the OH are very busy and lazy
if you take the time to space it out into more than one post, like just trying to tackle one small part at a time, and saving some of your proof for later, instead of sitting it all out at once

1b: i didn't actually read the opening post

2: Mod= miburo <3

3: i've read some of your posts....
but not all the way through.

YAY!



although some people may be displayign homophobic habits in thier responses, our insistance that he must be homosexual is just as much of a predetermined view on the subject that we can not be swayed on.

bringing it up is pointless

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Miburo

For the record, pretty sure I only 'flamed' one "person." And that's if you actually consider mudhutters people. I don't.

I don't operate using ad hominens. I'll make fun of people, but not as a basis for any argument. The only people I've seen use ad hominens in this entire thread are those that oppose the OP's valid and logical conclusions.

And if this thread shows anything, it's how goddamn stupid some people on this forum are. Not pointing any fingers or anything though. But seriously, holy shit.

Oh, and that Naruto is probably gay as fuck.

AOTKorby

Neither side in the argument is exactly without its moments...

Plenty of people on both sides have been using 'internet debating tactics'.

Whether it's the "NARUTO ISN'T GAY, UR STUPID" people or the "NARUTO IS GAY, SUCK IT" people, neither side has any kind of highground here...

I've seen plenty of both sides blatantly refusing to acknowledge any factual integrity of the other side. This thread is just terrible. Not the first post, but what it led to.

Both sides' "facts" amount largely to differing interpretation of the same things.

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superninja

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/17/
When Naruto transformed into Sasuke he almost kissed Sakura, in that moment he says to himself he finally understands why he likes her. How can he be gay if he likes girls? If that's the case he can only be bisexual, but not gay.
This was probably already brought up, but I don't feel like reading through to find it.
Also, this is evidence.

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Tankynator

And for the record, I didn't claim that you flamed anybody, I just stated that you added fuel to the fire.

Oh and the OP's arguments are just exaggerations.

Tabris

did you ever feel confined by what was expected of you?
like to not be gay? denying yourself to please others, especially your peers and the people who raised you is often caused by a sence of obligation to those people, and not wanting to let them down.
especially in a culture where family and the respect for your family is a high priority.

also, lots of Homosexuals try to like, go out with, or even enjoy sex with woman before discovering or admitting to themselves that they are not interested in ladies.

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superninja

Did you ever watch porn, and thought to yourself "damn that girl is hot"?
That's the moment you don't lie to yourself. That's what happened when Naruto tried to kiss Sakura.
There are moments we feel things and then we don't lie to ourselves coz there is no need to do it. If Naruto was gay he would have thought "meh", but no, he is goddamn hetero sex machine and he thought "daaaamn Sakura is hot, now I know why I liked her all this time"

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Tabris

no, i have never watched porn and thought, "damn that girl is hot"
honestly, i haven't.
but then i'm also not confined by what is expected of me, it's not engraned into my subconscoius

some sex machine, he hasn't even had sex
and we already discussed the fact that he could be bi

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superninja

Subconscious? You are getting philosophical with the subconscious. Maybe our gay urges go into the subconscious because they are socially unacceptable, but our hetero urges go into the conscious because they are acceptable.
Maybe.
Naruto could be bi.
Could be.
But it's proven that he likes girls.

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Miburo

I'm pretty sure he's saying he "finally realizes why he likes her" because they share a similar trait: They both want to be acknowledged. What you posted in no way what-so-ever implies that he is sexually attracted to females.

Lrn2evidence.


Also, his willingness to attempt to master techniques to sexually arouse men, for whatever reason, isn't typical heterosexual male behavior. Ask any heterosexual man who participates in martial arts if he'd even consider learning techniques that attempt to distract an opponent via sexual arousal. I bet you anything all of them would say "fuck no." Not Naruto though. Not only is he willing to attempt such techniques, he does so without any encouragement to do so while inventing those techniques himself. In fact, I'm pretty sure his only self-taught ninja techniques are ones that involve sexually arousing men. That'd be like me training to give guys reach-arounds in wrestling matches so I can distract and pin them, over just learning a good takedown or pinning combination. Not really all that hetero...

Before any heterosexual male here tries to justify using those kinds of techniques (over the near infinite amount of ninja techniques available to learn, ffs. Additionally, it's not like he ever once uses them in a life or death situation, if I recall correctly. Doesn't do it in desperation, doesn't do it because it was the only option available, etc.), honestly answer this question: Would you personally feel totally comfortable pretending to be a woman so that you can attempt to sexually arouse other men as a means to distract or influence them? I honestly wouldn't, because I would feel pretty darn gay doing something like that. Naruto, on the other hand, doesn't seem to mind it at all. Fancy that.