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02-05-2010, 02:18 PM   #616
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 Originally Posted by TheSixthHokage I've always wondered if Sasuke was gay, a lot more than Naruto. Naruto could never get any, even if he wanted it, Sasuke has it thrown at him and he ignores it. He sounds like an asexual, Hitler-type of shinobi.
Yeah, I could see Sasuke being gay. Who with though...hmmm... =p

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 Originally Posted by superninja Actually yes it does.
Actually, no. It doesn't. Jesus fuck. Do I need to google Occam's Razor for you? Seriously?

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 In general the more events your theory has (and I am talking about theoretical events with their chance of happening not events that happened) the less likely it is true. In mathematics you would get the sum of probability by multiplying the probabilities of each event your theory has.
You're talking about mathematical probability now. Not Occam's Razor.
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 But if you have evidence for a possible event, or the events are chained meaning that one event leads to another event then probabilities are greater then they would be if you have no evidence and events are unconnected. Also, let me go back to your "wizard did it with magic" example. You one day notice all your stuff gone. With no evidence, you conclude "wizard did it". This looks like a one event, but it is in fact a complex theory. First, you conclude that magic exists (one event), then you conclude there are in fact wizards (second event), then you conclude a wizard would have the need or motive to take your stuff (third event) and all that with practically no evidence. At the same time you know that thieves exist, you know that thieves have a motive to take your stuff, saying that "thieves did it" is a less number of events. But lets say you explore the scene of the crime and find the spellbook on the floor, you find a wizard hat, you find a magic circle drawn..Then that theory "wizard did it" starts to have a greater chance of being true.
Are you fucking serious? Did you just say that if there was a wizard hat, a book of spells, and some circle drawn on the ground in your house then the wizard theory would have the greater chance of being true?

Goddamn. Just stop. Seriously. Just. Stop. You have no clue as to what you're talking about. You haven't countered what I've said. So my last post still counters your current argument. I'm trying to be as nice as I possibly can about this, but I can only tolerate so much blatant stupidity before I just say "fuck it" and see how many different ways I can call you a goddamn retard while responding to you. You're rapidly approaching that limit.
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 Also on topic, saying that Naruto is gay but he has subconsciously convinced himself that he is straight is also a complex theory although it looks like a one event.
Even if that was an argument that I presented (I didn't), and even if what you're saying is true, it doesn't matter. Because, like I said, "complexity" doesn't really matter in this scenario, at all.

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 So why did Naruto like Sakura so much when he didn't know anything about her except the fact that she's a girl?
Because she shared a similar characteristic with him. She goes something like "I just want to be accepted" and he thinks to himself "Now I know why I like her so much" directly after she says it. Reading comprehension, common sense, you got any of this shit? Come on, man. We already went over this. Jesus fucking christ.

Goddamn.

Also, just curious, are you from the Philippines? Just wondering.

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02-06-2010, 06:08 PM   #617
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 Originally Posted by Miburo Because she shared a similar characteristic with him. She goes something like "I just want to be accepted" and he thinks to himself "Now I know why I like her so much" directly after she says it. Reading comprehension, common sense, you got any of this shit? Come on, man. We already went over this. Jesus fucking christ. Goddamn. Also, just curious, are you from the Philippines? Just wondering.
Ok, I'll quit with the "complexity" for a moment. Miburo, Naruto liked Sakura first and found out about their common trait later.
I'm from Croatia by the way.
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Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

 02-08-2010, 03:34 AM #618 speedster114 Academy Student   Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Re: Naruto's Homosexuality Here's my deduction since everyone is doing this off of probablility and what not according to data already given. 1) Naruto has no interest in Sakura when she says she loves him- a) Naruto is gay b) He's used to her rejecting him, so is unprepared c) Sees through deception used by Sakura immediately d) Naruto is asexual -I would say that according to what actually happened, the manga points to solutions b & c jointly. He wasn't used to her accepting him, so he saw through her deception and didn't fall for her ploy. 2) Naruto hasn't show interest in exotic novels (Jiraiya)- a) Naruto is gay b) Naruto is asexual c) Naruto hasn't reached puberty yet d) The books are simple romances and do not interest someone like Naruto e) Naruto is above such temptations -Possibility c is ruled out since he would have started to feel attracted to girls by age 15, his age after the time skip. Possibility d could probably be ruled out because Naruto hasn't proved to be the most intellectual. Possibility e could definitely be ruled out considering his obvious lack of self control. This leaves possibility a and b, which would alter fact 1. 3) Naruto has ignored Hinata and her advances all through the series- a) Hinata is sly b) Naruto is not observant at all c) Naruto isn't attracted to Hinata (a) Asexual b) Gay c) Just not attracted to her) -This one is really tricky, but I think that I'd have to give it to c, he can obviously interpret crushes considering he saw that Sakura was extremely attracted to Sasuke, but not to him; even Naruto isn't blind. This would further strengthen the alternate conclusion for 1, and the conclusion of 2 with a and b. 4) Naruto has been determined to bring back Sasuke. It should be noted that Jiraiya-Orochimaru had similar pursuits- a) Feels strong ties to friends and companions b) Naruto is gay c) Naruto wants to help village by bringing back a strong ninja -I would probably have to go with a since that seems the most logical out of any of them. 5) Naruto kissed Sasuke early on- a) Naruto is gay b) Naruto is trying to stare down Sasuke because he dislikes him c) It was a complete accident. -I think that this data alone is pretty inconclusive because although in the real world a makes the most sense, this is an early, slow chapter and crazy stuff often happens during them. 6) Naruto doesn't seem to understand why appearing as a sexy, scantily clad woman would make adult males incoherent- a) Naruto is asexual b) Naruto is gay -This is also pretty inconclusive because Naruto was affected after the time skip. However, in said case Naruto didn't fly back with a nosebleed so you could say it was just him faking reaction due to the presence of many people. I would say as of yet that data is still inconclusive either way due to the unstable nature of manga in determining what is "normal" person behavior and "manga" person behavior. But this doesn't mean he isn't, we still haven't actually seen him in a romantic relationship with a girl or boy yet, so I don't rule out the possibility that he is in fact homosexual.
02-08-2010, 10:42 AM   #619
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 Originally Posted by speedster114 Here's my deduction since everyone is doing this off of probablility and what not according to data already given. 1) Naruto has no interest in Sakura when she says she loves him- a) Naruto is gay b) He's used to her rejecting him, so is unprepared c) Sees through deception used by Sakura immediately d) Naruto is asexual -I would say that according to what actually happened, the manga points to solutions b & c jointly. He wasn't used to her accepting him, so he saw through her deception and didn't fall for her ploy. 2) Naruto hasn't show interest in exotic novels (Jiraiya)- a) Naruto is gay b) Naruto is asexual c) Naruto hasn't reached puberty yet d) The books are simple romances and do not interest someone like Naruto e) Naruto is above such temptations -Possibility c is ruled out since he would have started to feel attracted to girls by age 15, his age after the time skip. Possibility d could probably be ruled out because Naruto hasn't proved to be the most intellectual. Possibility e could definitely be ruled out considering his obvious lack of self control. This leaves possibility a and b, which would alter fact 1. 3) Naruto has ignored Hinata and her advances all through the series- a) Hinata is sly b) Naruto is not observant at all c) Naruto isn't attracted to Hinata (a) Asexual b) Gay c) Just not attracted to her) -This one is really tricky, but I think that I'd have to give it to c, he can obviously interpret crushes considering he saw that Sakura was extremely attracted to Sasuke, but not to him; even Naruto isn't blind. This would further strengthen the alternate conclusion for 1, and the conclusion of 2 with a and b. 4) Naruto has been determined to bring back Sasuke. It should be noted that Jiraiya-Orochimaru had similar pursuits- a) Feels strong ties to friends and companions b) Naruto is gay c) Naruto wants to help village by bringing back a strong ninja -I would probably have to go with a since that seems the most logical out of any of them. 5) Naruto kissed Sasuke early on- a) Naruto is gay b) Naruto is trying to stare down Sasuke because he dislikes him c) It was a complete accident. -I think that this data alone is pretty inconclusive because although in the real world a makes the most sense, this is an early, slow chapter and crazy stuff often happens during them. 6) Naruto doesn't seem to understand why appearing as a sexy, scantily clad woman would make adult males incoherent- a) Naruto is asexual b) Naruto is gay -This is also pretty inconclusive because Naruto was affected after the time skip. However, in said case Naruto didn't fly back with a nosebleed so you could say it was just him faking reaction due to the presence of many people. I would say as of yet that data is still inconclusive either way due to the unstable nature of manga in determining what is "normal" person behavior and "manga" person behavior. But this doesn't mean he isn't, we still haven't actually seen him in a romantic relationship with a girl or boy yet, so I don't rule out the possibility that he is in fact homosexual.
I like the way you think but you forgot to add one big pro for Naruto being shtreight and that is he showed genuine interest in Sakura and liked her much more than he liked others without knowing much about her beforehand. He never showed such feelings towards boys.
That is at the very beginning of the manga.
Later he bonded with Sasuke, but that was after Sasuke saved his life and acknowledged his strength.
Naruto showed interest in spying girls while they bath, Naruto was never a book smart type so his lack of interest in reading Jiraiya's books comes as no surprise. Even I would rather watch porn than read about it.
Hinata's confession comes in a time when Naruto is very busy trying to save the world from the bad guys. It is also the first time someone has told him something like that and he doesn't know how to respond.
Sakura's confession was phony and Naruto saw through it since he said to her "I hate people that lie to themselves".

I will tell you right now, even I keep saying stuff like "Naruto is gay for Sasuke, he is so gay, why didn't he give Hinata any attention" and so on. But in truth it's more probable that he is straight and by more probable I mean like 99 percent.
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Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

02-08-2010, 11:58 AM   #620
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 he showed genuine interest in Sakura and liked her much more than he liked others without knowing much about her beforehand. He never showed such feelings towards boys.
Ah... However, Naruto only liked Sakura for how she looked... The emotional connection wasn't established at that time... But if you ask me, Naruto was drawn to Sasuke the minute he laid eyes on him...

And in this case, it was an emotional attachment to Sasuke at first sight... With Sakura's case, Naruto only liked her for her looks... I say Naruto did show interest in other boys, well one boy in particular, Sasuke...

I know people would say it's because of Naruto's outrageous attitude that he's so livid about his encounters... But typical boy behavior would be to pick on, or constantly annoy who they are interested in... Naruto pestered Sasuke more than anything (and it was established before that Naruto liked him in the flashbacks)...

I know this isn't definite proof that Naruto is gay, or is playing both sides of the field, I just found it strange that the kind of rivalry Naruto thought he had with Sasuke would influence his outward actions towards Sasuke initially... I mean, Sasuke's existence put shame onto Naruto's, so why would Naruto be a glutton for punishment by making himself obvious to Sasuke?

Again this is just from looking at that beginning chapter and at the retcon...
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02-08-2010, 01:20 PM   #621
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 Originally Posted by The Special One Ah... However, Naruto only liked Sakura for how she looked... The emotional connection wasn't established at that time... But if you ask me, Naruto was drawn to Sasuke the minute he laid eyes on him... http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page012.html And in this case, it was an emotional attachment to Sasuke at first sight... With Sakura's case, Naruto only liked her for her looks... I say Naruto did show interest in other boys, well one boy in particular, Sasuke... http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page008.html I know people would say it's because of Naruto's outrageous attitude that he's so livid about his encounters... But typical boy behavior would be to pick on, or constantly annoy who they are interested in... Naruto pestered Sasuke more than anything (and it was established before that Naruto liked him in the flashbacks)... I know this isn't definite proof that Naruto is gay, or is playing both sides of the field, I just found it strange that the kind of rivalry Naruto thought he had with Sasuke would influence his outward actions towards Sasuke initially... I mean, Sasuke's existence put shame onto Naruto's, so why would Naruto be a glutton for punishment by making himself obvious to Sasuke? Again this is just from looking at that beginning chapter and at the retcon...

You are reading underneath the underneath here, but there is nothing underneath.
We need to think logically, what was Naruto's biggest dream when he was that age? To be acknowledged by everyone.
And Sasuke was the most popular kid in that class. All the girls loved him, and the boys acknowledged him to be the number one rookie coz he is an Uchiha.
Naturally and logically Naruto would feel jealous and antagonize Sasuke. Not to mention Sakura was one of Sasuke's fan girls and Naruto liked Sakura. In fact

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/04/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/3/07/

Naruto only gave his attention to Sasuke because Sakura was eying Sasuke. The manga is clear about Naruto's motives but if we want to make complex theories with no evidence to back it up, then we can interpret these events differently.
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Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

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 02-08-2010, 01:39 PM #622 The Special One Kage     Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oakpark, Michigan Age: 23 Posts: 5,139 Thanks: 913 Thanked 4,600 Times in 1,607 Posts Re: Naruto's Homosexuality Out of everyone, Naruto wanted to be recognized by Sasuke the most... From what I can see, Sasuke's acknowledgement held more weight than anyone else's (yes, even more than Sakura's)... That's one of the main reasons why Naruto puts up with Sasuke's shit and still wants to save him even after all he's done to upset the shinobi world. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page016.html Naruto made it clear that he is after Sasuke not for Sakura's sake, but because he genuinely wants to save Sasuke from the darkness so he can enjoy his company. It has nothing to do with trying to look cool around Sakura... http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page005.html We've already come to the conclusion that Naruto doesn't like Sakura like that... And if he does, he has a funny way of showing it... __________________ The Specialist, forever http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=24201 ^My first thread.lol Last edited by The Special One; 02-08-2010 at 01:40 PM.
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 Originally Posted by The Special One Out of everyone, Naruto wanted to be recognized by Sasuke the most... From what I can see, Sasuke's acknowledgement held more weight than anyone else's (yes, even more than Sakura's)... That's one of the main reasons why Naruto puts up with Sasuke's shit and still wants to save him even after all he's done to upset the shinobi world. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...3/page016.html Naruto made it clear that he is after Sasuke not for Sakura's sake, but because he genuinely wants to save Sasuke from the darkness so he can enjoy his company. It has nothing to do with trying to look cool around Sakura... http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page005.html We've already come to the conclusion that Naruto doesn't like Sakura like that... And if he does, he has a funny way of showing it...
Naruto does seem gay for Sasuke in this link, I give you that.
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Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

 02-08-2010, 07:14 PM #624 TheSixthHokage S-Ranked Shinobi     Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hokage's Office Posts: 2,676 Thanks: 952 Thanked 1,017 Times in 587 Posts Re: Naruto's Homosexuality Sai's understanding Naruto's code there, "[Sasuke] represents bonds that I have waited so long to receive," actually means " [Sasuke] represents [nights of furious butt secks] I have waited so long to receive. Itz canonz. __________________ Last edited by TheSixthHokage; 02-08-2010 at 07:29 PM.
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 02-14-2010, 06:35 PM #625 Silverblade Missing-Nin   Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 1,681 Thanks: 355 Thanked 590 Times in 275 Posts Re: Naruto's Homosexuality Yeah. Naruto does seem gay. He spends his time thinking about Sasuke like a girl thinks about their favorite rock star. He even turned now the pussy MANY TIMES. But if that was Sasuke. That motherfucker would on him like white on rice.
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 02-14-2010, 07:08 PM #626 emrys Academy Student   Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Re: Naruto's Homosexuality in regards to the arguments? the series is so long that one could find enough random scenes to make a good argument for either side. there'd certainly be plenty of evidence if you took scenes out of context. personally, i think that naruto and sasuke love each other in a sheerly brotherly fashion with perhaps a bit of sexual tension. but, hey, they're teenagers. crap like that happens all the time. sai was in root for god knows how long and had all of that emotional depravity training stuff, so he probably doesn't swing either way. he just naturally makes people uncomfortable. naruto's reactions towards sai are so weird because he doesn't know how to actually react to an emotionless person. there is a lot of evidence to be found, though, that naruto doesn't like sakura anymore (as a crush). as for which way naruto swings? i don't think there's any way to really tell. the whole blow off of sakura's confession can easily be chalked up to naruto knowing she's lying or that he's not interested in her that way. not that he's homosexually inclined. besides, naruto will probably stay single for most of the series to keep the fandom interested and guessing. not to mention that there's the shinobi equivalent of WWIII about to break out, so any relationships will take second place on the priority scale of the author for sake of plot development.
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Ummm, hello? It's called "drawing attention". No good story is any good if it doesn't allow the public to speculate and make up theories of what will happen, why and for what. I think that the events you mention are clear in their intention, but my opinion is these were written for that purpose, to make the public wonder, question; and let's not forget shonen ai is quite popular in Japan...c'mon people! It's sexual tension deliberately placed to raise a few eyebrows but not to be concreted. We could then say the same of Goku and Vegeta. You all remember how sometimes Goku got too close and Vegeta reacted frightened but then it was ok? I think it's the same kind of thing here. I think one of the reasons why those scenes were created is so all of the Narutards out there make looong threads making up this kind of theories LOL.
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 Originally Posted by Tanya=^^= No good story is any good if it doesn't allow the public to speculate and make up theories of what will happen, why and for what.
Yes, but that doesn't make a story good. An excellent example is Twilight: the only work in history for which the fanfiction is of the same quality as the source material.

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