Flashwind

I have officially decided that Tsuna is one of the smartest people I will ever have the honor of partially sort of knowing.

I have been saying this nonsense about the Bible forever and no one seems to get it. Religion is mostly a hoax. There may be some churches that actually deserve to be considered worthy, but most of them are just created by people who want to control other, force them to do their bidding, and gather money. Anyone could take anything they want from the Bible, turn it and twist it, and then spew nonsense about how it's what God truly meant, and suddenly every idiot who's mind is as weak as a pile of horseshit starts believing them.

I don't agree with anyone who says homosexuality is wrong, because that's stupid. If people are happy, just leave them the fuck alone. Unless some gay man is going around raping guys in the name of homosexuality, just shut your face and get over the fact that it's not hurting anyone, so there's no point in complaining.

Besides, most of the people who throw fits about homosexuality are probably just insecure because they're tgay themselves. So to them I say: Stick a dildo up your ass and accept that people are fine just the way they are.

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Ero-Sage

Things do get lost in translation and its entirely possible there have been people, churchs, governments have tried to purposefully change its meaning. There are a couple of safegaurds against this. One is how widely distributed it is around the whole world. Contradictons would show up and be shunned quite easily. Also, fervid students of the bible study it in many languages with one of the most important being hebrew as it was the language of most people who originally contributed writings to it. Learning its teachings and the meaning of its words in different languages ensures a true understanding of what is written and the writers intentions. The writers of the books of the bible were humans but divinely inspired humans when they wrote what they wrote. Only someone of faith can accept and comprehend this as they believe in the divine protections of the text as well. That is not to say sound judgement, discernment, and research aren't needed when accepting something claiming to be God's word.

Christians = people who follow Christianity. If Christianity is a dumbass religion full of ridiculous bullshit then aren't you saying the same of people who choose to believe in it? And if not then why is it ok for YOU to separate the two and not ok for ME to separate a homosexual person from their sinful sexual acts? I don't hate homosexual people. Just the sinful acts they choose to commit and the fact that they're ramming everyones face with justifications for it. Prolly a lot like the way organized religion treats you. Wow that last sentence goes pretty deep.................................... .......................................A fter some reflection I empathize with how you feel a lot better now. Hope you can see the similarities that illuminates.

I can see how Christians come off as judgemental bigots. Yet they want to be respected. Unfortunately, these are the unwanted poster children for Christianity. Its a big turnoff. Our faith makes us unrelenting to sin. However a good Christian will still care about you, Tsuna, the person, while shunning your acts. I've done a bad job at extending that courtesy to you and others on this forum. I truly apologize for that. I kind of busted into this thread with guns a blazin like yosemite sam or something. I'll make a better effort in that area.

Can you see how homosexuals can come off in negative ways? Have you seen or been to a gay pride parade lately? Its literally a perverted sexual circus coming down the street. Yet they want to be respected. I'm curious as to what your thoughts are on the public displays of profanity that happens at them. Unfortunately, these are the unwanted poster children for homosexuals. I'm not bashing either. Even if straight couples came down the street acting and dressing in such profane ways I would have a problem with it. Its perversion in the extreme and I'm not just talking about nudity. I could car less about that.

In the end both groups are misunderstood. We may be at opposite ends of the spectrum, and disagree about each others beliefs but we have a lot in common as far as the mechanism we employ to perceive each other.

Tsuna

I admit that maybe it's not exactly the most logical thing to separate a religion full of bullshit from the people that follow it. And at one point in my life, I didn't separate the two. In my mind, religion was dumbfuckery and so were the people that were idiotic enough to be sucked into believing it. But after the death of my grandmother, I came to accept the fact that some people need to have that reassurance that there is life after death, that there is salvation to be had, etc etc etc. I've come to accept the fact that though religion might be something I find a load of cockshit, to someone else, it might be the only thing keeping them from drowning.

My reasons for separating religion from its followers, as you can plainly see, is a bunch of melodramatic bullshit that has a hell of a lot more to do with my own personal experience with the people around me than actual cold, hard logic. In light of that, I will admit to being "wrong" in said separation, when logically the two should be intergrated.

And as you said, you don't hate homosexuals themselves, but the "sinful acts" they commit. Who decided that it was sinful? Just because we fall in love with people of the same sex, that means we're sinning? We're sinning, because we aren't attracted to the opposite sex? That doesn't make sense and you know it.

We homosexuals never "rammed" our sexuality into anyone's faces before you Christians started shoving your religions down our throats. And when was the last time you heard of a hate crime from a homosexual against a Christian? Homosexuals are beaten and killed by the very same people you call your Christian brothers, and you say we're the ones ramming justifications in people's faces? Well, at least we aren't the ones killing for it.

But then again, that's how it's always been with religious types, hasn't it?
This is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard or seen. I've had Christians say that shit to me before. "Yes, we care about you... just change who you are first." Yeah, you'll "care" about the so-called "normal" side of me, while you degrade and despise me for facts about myself that I cannot change.

And yes, I have been to a gay pride festival. I went to an LGBTQ Youth Summit at the University of Cincinnati three years in a row, and never ONCE was anything about it sexual.

Do you know what the main focus of that summit was, every time I went?

Acceptance.

And that's something we will never, ever have, because of people like you.

Mal

I don't care about most of what you said, but I want to correct this massive error:

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Originally Posted by Ero-Sage Christians = people who follow Christianity.

Christians = people who follow Christ. Ghandi knew what he was talking about when he said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

Like I said before, religion is bullshit. All it does is distract people from God by getting them caught up in superfluous, asinine rituals; gross misunderstandings and hateful intolerance.

MajorStranger

I must agree about that. I live in Montreal, which host one of the biggest gay pride parade in the world (and is one of the most Gay-friendly city in the world)

I have big difficulties respecting a man with a peacock tail stuck up his ass.

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Tsuna

Why yes, allow me to judge every male by their public displays of testosterone and douchebaggery.
Allow me to judge every Christian by the hatred-spewing fucks I see every day and on TV.
Allow me to judge every black male by the stereotypes in the media.


Somehow, when you twist that shit around and make it about something that doesn't have anything to do with homosexuality, it sounds a hell of a lot more fucked up, doesn't it?

Idiots.

MajorStranger

I do not say every homosexual are like that, that's exactly my point. My uncle and three of my friends are gay. Everyone of them are normal person. I simply don't like to see a naked man or a woman in the street at mid-day.

Tell me does the gay parade represent you? Because each of my gay friend hate it because it give a bad insight of what a real homosexual is: a normal guy who like everyone else in this goddamn world try to live in peace with his loved one

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Tsuna

Gay pride parades have nothing to do with representing someone. It has to do with, imagine this one: PRIDE. As homosexuals, we're shunned. Some of us are forced to live our lives in secret. For us, we can be fired from jobs and disowned and beaten half to death just for coming out.

No, gay pride festivals don't represent us. For us, they're our ONE time out of the year to just forget all the people hating on us and say that we're proud of who we are, no matter what others think.
Unfortunately, the meaning of the gay pride festivals gets a little bit warped when a good number of the participants parade around like sex objects on display.

My point is, yes. Homosexuals can give off negative impressions, because of a few bad seeds. But so can everyone else. Yet, homophobia is pretty much generally accepted by the public, where things like racism and sexism are taboo.

Again, I say: pretty fucked up.

MajorStranger

I don't know where you live so I can't tell about what you live, but here up'north (at least in the Quebec part) I must say there's not many real homophobia. Either people like homosexual, either they are ignorant about that or they are totally neutral about it. People don't really hate them (or they hate them because they jam one of the most important street of the city for a whole day)

Why isn't Gay pride parade more like St-Patricks Day? you wear a green t-shirt, you go see the parade, you get drunk and then hunt for leprechaun to get gold! that's a family friendly day!

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Jaxon

I am so glad people like Kat have drive to write intelligent posts slamming you idiots, because I start one, get a few lines in and realise I'm gonna have to do a lot of typing to correct your bullshit statements and opinions.

Tsuna

Then let me tell you a bit about my surroundings, since you seem to doubt homophobia's existence.

I have the pleasure of living in Cincinnati, Ohio.

I grew up surrounded by religious bigots. I was victim to endless torment on the grounds that I was homosexual, and that my male friend was homosexual. Said friend and myself were also jumped, mugged, beaten by around a dozen of our classmates. For being gay.

Our school knew of this, and did not press charges.

Myself and my friends - gay, bi, and straight alike - came together to form a Gay-Straight Alliance, aimed at providing a pillar of support for students like us who had to deal with personal attacks and bullying by not only classmates, but family. Their religious leaders and peers. Any poster, any promotion we made to attract more members was tore down and defaced.

We told our principal, our superintendent, our teachers - nothing was done.
Then again, they never even recognized us as an official club, saying that it wasn't academically related - when there was already a "Fellowship of Christian Athletes" group that was not only recognized, but funded.

Apparently, religious clubs are academic. Support groups for gays are not.
How could I not be driven, when this is about my life?

Jaxon

Because you are correcting one insignificant peon an an anime forum. Chances are, what you say you won't change his opinion or behaviour. I hope it does.

Tsuna

This is true.

Even still, it makes me feel better to feel like I can make even one person think about how their narrow-minded bigotry affects us. Rome wasn't built in a day, I guess.

Mal

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Originally Posted by Tsuna This is true. Even still, it makes me feel better to feel like I can make even one person think about how their narrow-minded bigotry affects us. Rome wasn't built in a day, I guess.

Whether you change his mind or not, I'm enjoying getting such a well written look at things from your perspective, so it's not a total loss.

MajorStranger

I do not doubt his existence, but I say at least here, In quebec, that most of the people claiming to hate homosexual are simply ignorant of what is actually an homosexual. They are afraid it's some kind of virus that you'll get by standing next to them. I assure you I nothing like that.

I'm really sorry you had to live through this. I understand you pain. Through my friends never got beaten for their difference you could see some people were too idiot to understand what is actually homosexuality. It has been hard for him but he made it through by having good friend who stood up for him and understanding parent who loved him for who he is.

I hope it is better now for you.

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