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Old 11-13-2009, 10:29 AM   #1
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Samehada

The question I pose is can samehada absorb any chakra type? The reason I ask is because it crossed my mind that if he trys to absorb sage chakra while fighting naruto would the sword be instantly be turned to stone?

Also would kisame by proxy also be turned to stone due to the sword transferring the absorbed saga chakra to him? The next logical question is if the transfer of chakra is instant or if there is some type of delay that would turn samahada into stone b4 it has a chance to transfer the sage chakra to kisame turning him to stone also?

The reason I ask these questions is because naruto is nearby and there is a small chance he might run into the kisame vs killer bee fight and decide to help killer bee. We all know naruto in sage mode is faster and stronger than kisame, he also has far more chakra than kisame. So if naruto's sage chakra is deadly to samahada then the fight is pretty much won b4 it even starts.
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Old 11-13-2009, 11:20 AM   #2
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Re: Samehada

You dont even need to ask.

Sage chakra is difficult to control and it takes hectic training to even feel its presence, how much more controlling it.

Unless Samehada or Kisame learns to control it(never gonna happen), we are pretty much in for a TOAD-SHARK or TOAD-SWORD STATUE. Thats abt it.
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Re: Samehada

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You dont even need to ask.

Sage chakra is difficult to control and it takes hectic training to even feel its presence, how much more controlling it.

Unless Samehada or Kisame learns to control it(never gonna happen), we are pretty much in for a TOAD-SHARK or TOAD-SWORD STATUE. Thats abt it.
true which is why i think a naruto and sadame confrontation is never going to happen sadame will most likely be killed by killer bee
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Re: Samehada

Other than the fact that Samehada eats chakra and can pass it on to Kisame when they fuse, we have no idea what the sword can do. One would suspect it is a set up so there is one weakness. That said, if they do face each other, I won't be surprise if feeding Samehada sage chakra doesn't turn it to stone, forcing Naruto to come up with something new.
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Re: Samehada

It just occurred to me that if samehada's mouth is at the tip of the blade then it's asshole has to be the handle. So kisame's grabbing samehada by the ass. Ewwww!!

Here's my theory about samehada's abilities.

Is "eating" chakra the same as absorbing it? I think of chakra absorption as just a transfer from your enemy to you. However if samehada "eats" chakra then it must also digest it. So it would also make sense that if you a sword keeps eating then eventually it will have to take a shit. Right? The reason I bring this up is because kisame didn't begin healing until he actually touched samehada's handle. So it seems to me that samehada doesn't just transfer chakra to kisame. I believe that after it eats chakra it digests it and refines it into a higher quality chakra which it releases as waste through the handle and into kisame. It reminds me of how Kn4 mixed kyuubi chakra with naruto's blood to make it denser and more powerful. In the same way samehada condenses the chakra it absorbs into a higher quality chakra to give to kisame.

Also their has to be a limit to how much chakra samehada can transfer per second. The only place the chakra transfer takes place is with the hand that's holding the sword. By fusing with the sword he could in theory fuse samehada directly with his own chakra circulatory system thereby increasing the speed of the chakra transfer.
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Pains Body could only absorb chakra. Samehada seems to be able to absorb/eat and release chakra. If it can eat it, and shit it out the butt like ask him anything said, then he can spit it right back out the mouth and use his own Buuji chakra to overcome what little actually gets in his belly before he realizes it's "bad chakra." I think Sage mode would be Samehada's kryptonite. Just chakra monster vs chakra monster
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^ or maybe samehada could eat sage energy and during the digestion process turn it into usable chakra.
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Sage chakra, bijuu chakra, Sakuras Lesbo chakra. Samehada eats it all!! Unless samehada ate pure natural energy it might turn into a statue, but its some special fish sword so theres a chance it might not.
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Re: Samehada

So far from what is shown in the manga Samehada can eat Chakra. Like Bijuu Chakra and Regular chakra.

Not only that but it can eat Recomposed chakra as well such as Lightning blade. If a shinobi must defeat this sword. They either going have to use Wind, Earth or Water. Fire and Lightning can be sucked into Samehada perhaps.
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Re: Samehada

agree with gakure.

Till the manga reveal further facts about the samehada.

We are safe to assume they wont be able to control sage chakra.

and do remember the fact that pein fat body is able to absorb diferrent kind of chakras as well...
only sage chakra turned him to a statue.

He works like samehada as a chakra collector, but its not able to fuse.
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It just occurred to me that if samehada's mouth is at the tip of the blade then it's asshole has to be the handle. So kisame's grabbing samehada by the ass. Ewwww!!

Here's my theory about samehada's abilities.

Is "eating" chakra the same as absorbing it? I think of chakra absorption as just a transfer from your enemy to you. However if samehada "eats" chakra then it must also digest it. So it would also make sense that if you a sword keeps eating then eventually it will have to take a shit. Right? The reason I bring this up is because kisame didn't begin healing until he actually touched samehada's handle. So it seems to me that samehada doesn't just transfer chakra to kisame. I believe that after it eats chakra it digests it and refines it into a higher quality chakra which it releases as waste through the handle and into kisame. It reminds me of how Kn4 mixed kyuubi chakra with naruto's blood to make it denser and more powerful. In the same way samehada condenses the chakra it absorbs into a higher quality chakra to give to kisame.

Also their has to be a limit to how much chakra samehada can transfer per second. The only place the chakra transfer takes place is with the hand that's holding the sword. By fusing with the sword he could in theory fuse samehada directly with his own chakra circulatory system thereby increasing the speed of the chakra transfer.
hey, nice post, you gave me an idea with the bolded:
first take a look at what sabu says here.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/471/15/

he converts the stolen chakra into stamina,

however, AFAIK, when shinobi use chakra they first convert their stamina into chakra.

Maybe the advantage of samehada is that it converts the chakra into stamina for the user.

Maybe pain couldnt use the chakra he absorbed (if this assumption is true) because he couldn't convert it into stamina and you cant use somebody elses chakra??

just an idea, i hope it at least made you think
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1. A basic quote

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For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

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That is what you get when you press the quote button.

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Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
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Which without any * would look like

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Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
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Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
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and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
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then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


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My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
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[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
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how do you break it up please
my reply 2
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and if your not willingly to tell me,
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then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Re: Samehada

^ Excellent idea. Would rep you up but can't right now.

As for samehada converting chakra into stamina that's freaking awesome. I think your the first to point that out. If that's the case then maybe it could absorb sage chakra after all. If it could digest sage chakra without negative side affects then the stamina it gives kisame would be harmless to him.

Your idea also answers how kisame is able to use the absorbed chakra. I've all thought it was strange that samehada would just transfer chakra. I mean how could kisame use bijuu chakra or any elemental chakra besides water. He hasn't shown any abilities to use them. So by converting it to stamina first and then to healing or water elemental attacks second he has complete control over the power.

It was a cool idea bro, and yes you did make me think (a lot).
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agree with gakure.

Till the manga reveal further facts about the samehada.

We are safe to assume they wont be able to control sage chakra.

and do remember the fact that pein fat body is able to absorb diferrent kind of chakras as well...
only sage chakra turned him to a statue.

He works like samehada as a chakra collector, but its not able to fuse.
Im afraid not, Narutos sage chakra was drained away before he managed to pump pure Natural energy into HG realm which turned him into a frog statue.

Fact, only natural energy can turn people into frog statues while Sage chakra is a balance of spiritual, physical and natural energy. So, sage chakra just like any other chakra will be absorbed by samehada as well, pretty much fact!
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hey, nice post, you gave me an idea with the bolded:
first take a look at what sabu says here.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/471/15/

he converts the stolen chakra into stamina,

however, AFAIK, when shinobi use chakra they first convert their stamina into chakra.

Maybe the advantage of samehada is that it converts the chakra into stamina for the user.

Maybe pain couldnt use the chakra he absorbed (if this assumption is true) because he couldn't convert it into stamina and you cant use somebody elses chakra??

just an idea, i hope it at least made you think
some manga support:
middle part
stamina->chakra
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/05/

Sasuke part:
chakra going to waste! you cant even reuse your own chakra!
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/90/06/

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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

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1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Im afraid not, Narutos sage chakra was drained away before he managed to pump pure Natural energy into HG realm which turned him into a frog statue.

Fact, only natural energy can turn people into frog statues while Sage chakra is a balance of spiritual, physical and natural energy. So, sage chakra just like any other chakra will be absorbed by samehada as well, pretty much fact!
Senjutsu chakra has natural energy within it and without the proper training, one cannot maintain the precise balance, which results in being turned to stone. It's a mixture of chakras, it's not like it's a flamethrower flower and this is Super Mario World or something...
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