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Old 02-13-2010, 01:00 PM   #136
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Re: 483 predictions/spoiler discussion

I actually liked Yamato in the beginning. His attacks are pretty decent and everything, but I wanna see him in some actualy combat. The best things we've seen from him so far have been captures, and everyone has escaped from them. Kishi has made him fail too much.
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:09 PM   #137
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Re: 483 predictions/spoiler discussion

Alright, I've got a thought. Several times people have said that Sasuke (or anyone) would pwn Sage Naruto with genjutsu. Based on my understanding of genjutsu, Sage Naruto would be immune to genjutsu.

First
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/10/

On this page Jiraiya explains how to combat genjutsu. He says you have to a) disrupt the chakra flow to your head or b) someone on the outside must insert chakra into your body to disrupt your chakra flow. He also explains that genjutsu works by the opponent controlling the chakra flow in a persons head. Now then how does Sage Mode work?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/13/

As Fukasaku explains Sage Mode works by drawing in outside natural energy/chakra (I think its similar to Goku gathering spiritual ki for his spirit bomb) and combining it with your internal spiritual and physical energy.

Conclusion?
When you're in Sage Mode, chakra is constantly being inserted into a person from the outside. So option b for combating Genjutsu is constantly being employed. Add to this to the fact that Sage chakra is extremely difficult to control, so I would think manipulating the Sage chakra in a person's head would be equally difficult. Therefore I would conclude Sage Naruto is virtually immune to genjutsu or at least he could break it as easily as KB.
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Old 02-13-2010, 02:08 PM   #138
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I know right. He just cant win lol. I could see yamato on his way back to the village with narutos KB just saying "well, Im glad I didnt botch this one and was able to get naruto home". And just as he says that narutos clone Hendges into a giant hand, then face palms yamato for him fail.
lol, i wish kishi had the balls for that :P
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

Anyways, here is a quotes for noobs guide


1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
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Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

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Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Old 02-13-2010, 02:33 PM   #139
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about the genjutsu subject sasuke's genjutsu cannot be compared to itachi's, naruto almost broke itachi's hell he did break it but itachi made a double genjutsu.. he's king in that shit.

naruto would have a problem breaking sasuke's genjutsu, however idk about tsukuyomi that would prob get naruto but sasuke regular crap NO FUCKING WAY.
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about the genjutsu subject sasuke's genjutsu cannot be compared to itachi's, naruto almost broke itachi's hell he did break it but itachi made a double genjutsu.. he's king in that shit.

naruto would have a problem breaking sasuke's genjutsu, however idk about tsukuyomi that would prob get naruto but sasuke regular crap NO FUCKING WAY.
Lol seriously?? Naruto with his already huge chakra pool compared to itachi (who because of his sickness was a chunnin level with stamina) yet his 30% clones finger genjutsu, not even SG genjutsu was too much for him.

And ur underestimation of sasuke regular SG genjutsu is obserd. Sasuke raped Oro (also a genjutsu master, 5 in the DB3) in his own deminsion. Then sasuke kept up with itachi in theyre basic SG genjutsu the whole time so I dont know which manga ur reading, but sasuke regular genjutsu is top notch.

ANd while SM offers naruto increases in taijutsu, ninjutsu ability. Naruto has no genjutsu ability what so ever so 0+0 still=0. SM wont help, naruto needs the kyuubi, an outside source to disrupt his chakra if hes ever going to get out of strong genjutsu.
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Its all about battles, its not possible to simply view a battle, like Sasuke vs. Itachi, and say that Itachi's jutsu's are better at this point. The only jutsus Itachi have shown to be better than Sasuke are his Crow Clone Jutsu, which Sasuke hasn't shown the ability to do as of yet, and thats about it. Sasuke has already wrapped Amaretsu around an incomplete Susanoo, and though he dosen't have the shield, or the sword that Itachi had, I think Sasuke's Susanoo can at least be seen as equal to Itachi's. Itachi will be surpassed fully by Sasuke, and Naruto will do the same with Minato.
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well if naruto was caught in sasuke's genjutsu and naruto had 2 clones out gathering sage chakra (like the fight vs. nagato) wouldn't canceling on of those clone's also cancel sasuke's genjutsu??
besides sakura cancelled itachi's genjutsu by just pouring a bit of her chakra into naruto thus putting him back to normal. i think the massive amount of the sage chakra should do the trick.
i really don't think he needs the kyuubi to snap him out of it. he wouldn't want to use it anyways
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:10 PM   #143
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Its all about battles, its not possible to simply view a battle, like Sasuke vs. Itachi, and say that Itachi's jutsu's are better at this point. The only jutsus Itachi have shown to be better than Sasuke are his Crow Clone Jutsu, which Sasuke hasn't shown the ability to do as of yet, and thats about it. Sasuke has already wrapped Amaretsu around an incomplete Susanoo, and though he dosen't have the shield, or the sword that Itachi had, I think Sasuke's Susanoo can at least be seen as equal to Itachi's. Itachi will be surpassed fully by Sasuke, and Naruto will do the same with Minato.
Itachi's genjutsu talent makes sasuke's look so insignificant it's not even worth mentioning. the fact that he can cast genjutsu with body parts says it all..

Naruto actually did break itachi's initial genjutsu and itachi said
"Not bad, but still not good enough" because after the first one was broken he made another 1 somehow or had it already pre set in case the first was broken.

sasuke has never even come close to displaying this type of skill that's why his regular genjutsu wouldn't be a problem for naruto who has more control now then before and knows how to concentrate way better thanks to sage training. Tsukuyomi is the actual problem though cause even though its fucking weak as shit it might give naruto or rather give sasuke the opening he needs.

Hell kakashi has shown more skill with sharingan genjutsu then sasuke by knocking out 2 anbu with a regular 3 tome genjutsu, sasuke needs his weak ass tsukuyomi to do that lmfaoo...

No Neo sasuke's susanoo can't be seen as equal to itachi wtf are u smoking his is unpentrable thanks to the yata mirror that blocks EVERYTHING U CAN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO ITACHI'S SUSANO CAUSE THE MIRROR THROWS YOUR BACK... and he has the sword of tsosuka with his.

sasuke's tsukuyomi also is shit compared to itachi's so yeah his eyes are not stronger like they were said to have potential to be(if he gets ems they will be) but then again if itachi had ems sasuke wouldn't be able to compare either. sasuke is also going blind to fast, he's only relying on the mks while itachi had the skills to beat you without it. sasuke has yet to fight without using it right off the bat..

well he did against kirabi and we all saw what happened, no sasuke's skills will not grow his eyes may become more powerful but his skills will remain this way till he trains which i doubt he will..

that is why losing oro's power hurt him badlyyyy.
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Lol, Itachi blitzed kakashi as well so whats with the criticizm. Sasuke even blitzed a 100% clone of itachis while kakashi had to try his damndest to compete with a 30%.
Lol, when exactly did itachi blitz kakashi? Don't remember that happenning.
Kakashi was competing evenly (if not better) with itachi's 30% clone. What exactly did that clone do that kakashi didn't avoid, block, counter, or outsmart? Speed-wise they were even. Kakashi even dodged a punch by itachi at point blank range. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...0/page006.html Even the first time they fought kakashi was holding his own until he looked into itachi's eyes. There was that 1 time he blitzed kakashi. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page009.html Oh, wait nevermind that was just a water clone. Failed blitz attempt #1. Oh well, he can always get kurenai with an exploding clone. There's no way he can miss right? The clone is only 3 feet from her after all. http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...2/page010.html Well how about that. kakashi not escapes the blast himself, but he drags kurenai to safety with him. That's failed attempt #2. That pretty much shits on your blitzing statement.

BTW, kakashi didn't know that was a clone until after the fight. He started the fight with the assumption he was fighting the real 100% itachi, in which case he would have needed help, but at 30% he had that shit in the bag.

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Lol seriously?? Naruto with his already huge chakra pool compared to itachi (who because of his sickness was a chunnin level with stamina) yet his 30% clones finger genjutsu, not even SG genjutsu was too much for him.
LOL,WUT?

1. naruto has lot's of chakra, but just how much did he really use to try to break out of itachi's genjutsu? He didn't even use the fox chakra at all, just HIS chakra. Even itachi noted he got better. Now that he can summon massive amounts of nature energy he should be better at breaking genjutsu.

2. Where do you get some random ass BS about itachi having chuunin level stamina. That sure a hell wasn't stated anywhere in the manga. Haven't come across in in the databooks either. That's just your speculation. Poor speculation at that.

How can you possible say itachi had chuunin level chakra, but could still pwn kakashi. lol, so then your saying kakashi has genin level stamina. hahaha. You do realize all that "blitzing" itachi supposedly did would require stamina. Taijutsu skill require pure stamina. And of course all that chakra he needs for genjutsu, ninjutsu, and MS techs require stamina to produce. Sure he wasn't a powerhouse of chakra, but he sure as hell wasn't a mere chuunin level.

3. The finger genjutsu was simple a means of making initial contact with naruto's mind. You can't say it's weaker then SG genjutsu because genjutsu simple doesn't work that way. Whether it sight, sound, or a single finger, the 1st thing you got to do is make initial contact and then form a chakra flow into your enemy's body,which is what the jutsu did. After itachi did that he could strengthen the genjutsu as much as he wanted (or could based on chakra capacity and skill) http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...9/page011.html Just look at him, and how he's holding his hands. Isn't it obvious he's enhancing the genjutsu on naruto. So naruto wasn't just trying to break a little finger jutsu. He was fighting against itachi's full genjutsu skills which he (or anybody else) had no chance against.



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And while SM offers naruto increases in taijutsu, ninjutsu ability. Naruto has no genjutsu ability what so ever so 0+0 still=0. SM wont help, naruto needs the kyuubi, an outside source to disrupt his chakra if hes ever going to get out of strong genjutsu.
SM could possible help. killerrabbit9 had a good theory about that. ^^^^^ scroll up and check it out.
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Alright, I've got a thought. Several times people have said that Sasuke (or anyone) would pwn Sage Naruto with genjutsu. Based on my understanding of genjutsu, Sage Naruto would be immune to genjutsu.

First
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/259/10/

On this page Jiraiya explains how to combat genjutsu. He says you have to a) disrupt the chakra flow to your head or b) someone on the outside must insert chakra into your body to disrupt your chakra flow. He also explains that genjutsu works by the opponent controlling the chakra flow in a persons head. Now then how does Sage Mode work?

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/409/13/

As Fukasaku explains Sage Mode works by drawing in outside natural energy/chakra (I think its similar to Goku gathering spiritual ki for his spirit bomb) and combining it with your internal spiritual and physical energy.

Conclusion?
When you're in Sage Mode, chakra is constantly being inserted into a person from the outside. So option b for combating Genjutsu is constantly being employed. Add to this to the fact that Sage chakra is extremely difficult to control, so I would think manipulating the Sage chakra in a person's head would be equally difficult. Therefore I would conclude Sage Naruto is virtually immune to genjutsu or at least he could break it as easily as KB.
Your theory has a flaw. The fact that is naruto only absorbs NE while he is still and not moving. Thats why he needs clones to gather it and act like storage tanks. However when he claims a clone it brings the amount of NE it has absorbed up to that point. A finite amount. No more coming in. As naruto uses SM he depletes the NE. So in effect he constantly adjust his chakra to balance with an ever diminishing amount until hes empty and either claims another clone or comes out of SM.

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ppl also need to remember sage training gave him incredible chhakra control he balances 3 types of energy perfectly, in order to break genjutsu u must have good chakra control and understand how to do it, he knew how to by itachi but his control was still very shaky even though he did come along way where in part 1 his control sucked.

now its really really good but its something we will have to wait and see. saying naruto is bad at breaking genjutsu because of something that happened 200 chapters ago against the genjutsu king is really stupid..

its a ploy of hope sasuke fans give themselves for naruto to not utterly destroy sasuke..
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^ yes highly talented at chakra control. I would hope that kishi will translate that to a solid genjutsu defense for SM Naruto
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i dont care who kills sakura, where why or how, i just want her out of the manga

also i agree with you myth, its not naruto is some rookie anymore, he's gone under some serious shit for training not saying he's going to demolish sasuke or anything either (so chill out emo lovers)

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^ yes highly talented at chakra control. I would hope that kishi will translate that to a solid genjutsu defense for SM Naruto
if he can find balance with the fox (like kb and 8-tails), they can help each other out when under genjutsu to change the flow of chalkra

hoping naruto can use the 9-tail since its natural energy anyways, then he can stay in sage mode (fox sage in this case) for alot longer without clones to build his chalkra (theoretically)

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I had assumed u read my entire prediction because sasuke using 1 genjutsu and chidori charge combo shouldnt take too much chakra with his level IMO. And even then sasuke failed because his over use of sasanoo kicked in and got him nearly killed. so I added sasukes current weakneses along with his strengths into what I considered to be a very plasuible outcome, but that still doesnt seem to be enough around here. Its either sasuke fail and naruto win. Otherwise ragging criticizm biasly directed in the wrong direction is a come'n.
You seem to have forgotten that with little chakra your moves wont be as effective as it was,so at the moment sasuke won't be able to do whatever you think he would do to kakashi,and don't get me wrong I'm not saying kakashi would win in a full scale battle with both at full strength but this is a different scenario,and yeah i think people bash you because you actually make all your scenarios in favour of sasuke and never agree otherwise.
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