483 predictions/spoiler discussion - Page 8

Flashwind · 02-12-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Myth

when all fails kage bushinn works...

Gotta say, Kakashi's use of the kage bunshin always impresses me. Definite possibility for escaping.

Myth · 02-12-2010, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

Im sorry, but where did it say sasuke used Tsukuyomi?? Last I checked it just said genjutsu.

Danzo commented on how compared to itachi's tsukuyomi sasuke's is shit and that is exactly what he used on danzo to show him the image of itachi and the crows.. madara then once again confirms danzo's words calling it shit as well. when he says "you're right danzo .....etc etc"...

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And I also agree sasuke tsukuyomi is garbage in comparison to itachis. However, sasukes garbage tsu would still utterly ass rape SM naruto and kakashi.

right because danzo with a regular 3 tome broke it but kakashi with a mk wouldn't be able to think before you speak... it would prob get naruto though once naruto gets the kyuubi kicking forget any genjutsu kid.. and thats sasuke biggest adv over naruto. genjutsu.

I shouldn't have looked at your post but i did so this is the last time for a while good luck kid....

The Special One · 02-12-2010, 11:43 PM

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when all fails kage bushinn works..

Sure... Can't hit them all...

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 02-12-2010, 11:46 PM

[QUOTE=Myth;1787979]

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Danzo commented on how compared to itachi's tsukuyomi sasuke's is shit and that is exactly what he used on danzo to show him the image of itachi and the crows..

Still didnt say tsukuyomi, just genjutsu. danzou said sasukes genjutsu is crap compared to itachis that could control T/S.

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right because danzo with a regular 3 tome broke it but kakashi with a mk wouldn't be able to think before you speak... it would prob get naruto though once naruto gets the kyuubi kicking forget any genjutsu kid.. and thats sasuke biggest adv over naruto. genjutsu.

Danzou never broke out of tsukuyomi. Sasukes attack combo with it was stopped because danzou had put a seal on sasuke. Sasuke didnt use the same tsukuyomi on danzou that he used on KB and shi which paralysed. Sasuke just made a basic illusion to cause misdirection so he could strike danzou from behind. And again at the end, sasuke used his genjutsu to foel danzou into thinking he still had an eye open for Izanagi to still be in effect so he again to use taijutsu.

And even with a Physical MS jutsu, not a genjutsu MS. Kakashi is still powerless.

What I find most disturbing is that u are trying to show how kakashi could compete with sasuke in ur last couple posts which is bonkers buddy. U wouldnt for a second consider Kakashi could compete with SM naruto despite the fact kakashi can use SG genjutsu and narutos a genjutsu tard. Yet somehow now that sasuke has surpassed itachi, kakashi could still compete

Lol, Denial isnt just a river in Egypt buddy.

Myth · 02-13-2010, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

Sure... Can't hit them all...

1 kage bushinn is enough amaterasu stops once it hits the target, kage bushinn is a perfect body of the original and nothing can tell the difference from reall or fake so yeah sasuke would be hitting kakashi but just the wrong 1..

TheSixthHokage · 02-13-2010, 12:05 AM

Kakashi is a seriously dangerous shinobi but Sasuke is an extremely talented Uchiha, not an Sharingan-enhanced non-clan member. This means he can spam MS far more efficiently. Yes, I agree Kakashi is also fast, but the degree in which Sasuke has been shown for speed is quite insane. I think Sasuke has the edge there as well, but just slightly. As for taijutsu, I think Kakashi might have the slight edge, but in a fight between them, it would be genjutsu and ninjutsu, with little or not taijutsu.

Now if we were talking as TSO said, a sharingan-only Sasuke versus a sharingan-only Kakashi, I would say the latter has a high chance of winning. This however becomes a "nuke fight" and Sasuke can spam like mad.

Rawform · 02-13-2010, 12:06 AM

well if it's a fight between kakashi and sasuke.
well i gotta say sasuke is super damn strong. but i wouldn't count kakashi out so easily. coz for 1 kakashi has has jutsu to counter sasuke's (basic ones) like sasuke's katon would be countered by kakashi's suiton. then lightning vs lightning... on this they can both become mid ranged fighters. it's just a question on who'd be more clever.

and then for eye jutsu it's true sasuke could take down kakashi with sukiyomi but there's is only one problem.... HE CAN'T FREAKIN' USE IT!!.
and when it comes to arsenal eye attacks sasuke has the upper hand.
at the same time though kakashi has the same eye jutsu as madara's (i'm pretty sure) it's just not nearly as developed. and if it was, he'd be nearly unstoppable and evading sasuke's charade of attacks would seem almost laughable. until he runs out of chakra. specially the way sasuke was going against danzo. which would lead to kakashi's downfall.
i honestly think sasuke would defenetly win. but kakashi's has a good possibility against him.

durndle · 02-13-2010, 01:20 AM

Kakashi is former Anbu. Also he's twice the age of Saskue. His abilities far surpass Saskues lack of thought. Saskue fights with abilities that were handed to him, Kakashi fights with knowledge and experience. He knows Uchia strenght and weakness, Saskue knows nothing about Kakashi other then what he taught him. Kakashi is hands down the better of the two. It will be a proven fact in the next few chapters.

AniMeFaN · 02-13-2010, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by durndle

Kakashi is former Anbu. Also he's twice the age of Saskue. His abilities far surpass Saskues lack of thought. Saskue fights with abilities that were handed to him, Kakashi fights with knowledge and experience. He knows Uchia strenght and weakness, Saskue knows nothing about Kakashi other then what he taught him. Kakashi is hands down the better of the two. It will be a proven fact in the next few chapters.

the only abilities handed to him were his mangekeyo powers, kakashi was given his sharingan though to. kakashi is the shinbobi he is today because of power that was given to him.

sasuke has taken a technique/element usage taught to him by kakashi and has taken it way further. sasukes use of lightning element techniques far surpasses kakashis. sasukes eyes far surpass kakashis. i know there has been much arguement about who is faster but i would def put my money on sasuke.
sasuke actually has alot of chakra/stamina on top of that.

liondemon · 02-13-2010, 01:54 AM

It's right of passage for some "evil students" to kill their "master." I dont think that Sasuke will even make it that far, definitely not now. Sasuke doesnt have the stamina, unless Sakura heals him to 90% or more at the least. His bite from Karin should have helped him to 40% at the least, being near 10% or less before he bit her. Kakashi is at 100%.

Sasuke couldnt handle him now, but Kakashi already said that Naruto was likely equal to him before he even got Sage Mode. With Sasuke's current power up, I would think that the always tactical, shinobi smart Sasuke at 100% could defeat kakashi at 100%, llikely in an all out match that leaves even Sasuke nearly out of chakra once he wins. Kakashi is hands down the better of the 2 in general, but in a 1 0n 1 match, not many shinobi could outlast the endless MS jutsu's that Sasuke was just shown giving to Danzou, back to back to back. Sasuke was forced to fight like Raikage fought against him, to cause Danzou to close all of those eyes as fast as possible. Against Kakashi, Sasuke should use those same moves in smarter ways, and not in such a rush. Compared to Sasuke, kakashi is part of that older generation that Sasuke is destined to surpass at a younger age, just like Naruto has surpassed so many, in many fighting ways.

I think that Kakashi, Sakura, Naruto, and Sasuke will have a talk, a reunion. Everybody will have their say and Sasuke will summon a hawk that takes him and Sakura away. Naruto will regret how he spoke to Sakura when she tried to "protect him with her love". He will feel guilty for "pushing her to Sasuke". Either that, or Sasuke smacks Sakura before flying away, leaving Sakura crying after being rejected by both Naruto and Sasuke

BAYSYCK · 02-13-2010, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by durndle

Kakashi is former Anbu. Also he's twice the age of Saskue. His abilities far surpass Saskues lack of thought. Saskue fights with abilities that were handed to him, Kakashi fights with knowledge and experience. He knows Uchia strenght and weakness, Saskue knows nothing about Kakashi other then what he taught him. Kakashi is hands down the better of the two. It will be a proven fact in the next few chapters.

kakashis is known as the copy ninja he got that name because someone gave him a sharingan.
Kakashi is smarter but sasukes skill far surpasses kakashi
As much as you all think he is kakashi is still not kage level even if he was promoted to kage...
he wouldnt last long against any of the kages except maybe tsunade( and i dont even consider her kage level in anything except medical jutsu)

liondemon · 02-13-2010, 03:05 AM

Kakashi, like other greats from Konoha, graduated the academy by age 6, jouinin by 12ish. He was born hokage material like Minato, Itachi, and all of the Sannin. Kakashi and Tsunade have more powerful jutsus, intelligence, and leadership experience and capabilities combined, than anyone else in Konoha. If they are not Hokage material then who else is? Kakashi is likely the most intelligent of the 5 Kages. He likely only second to Raikage in speed, of the 5 Kages. Kakashi's jutsu power/capabilities should be on par with the 4 Kages, Raikage being excluded for buuji level chakra. Kakashiis the only Kage with a jutsu that can send you, or part of you somewhere from which u cannot return.

Hokage level is the best all round shinobi in the village, and right now Kakashi is the next best thing to the well rounded Sannin in Konoha. Kage level. Tsunade got a bell from Sarutobi as a child. She was a natural shinobi that was trained by a genius. Her medics art her specialty, but she was always a talented ninja in general. Forbidden jutsu was Orochu's specialty, and Sage arts were Jiraiya's, but without all of these, they are still top notch ninja that were trained by the great Sarutobi, and grew up during times of war. The only Sannin that seemed to be interested in increasing his ninjutsu skills and capabilities was Orochumaru, yet Jiraiya and Tsunade were still no contest for Hokage, just on the knowledge of what they were capable of when they left the village at fairly young ages.

platinumrug · 02-13-2010, 04:21 AM

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/478-26/4

Compared to Itachi's "tsukiyomi", meaning that Sasuke's tsukiyomi is nowhere near Itachi's. Just thought I'd point that out.

EDIT: @ BAYSYCK: Kakashi was given the name copy ninja because he copied well over 1000 jutsu's over his lifetime.

lamps123 · 02-13-2010, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

U have to understand that I wrote a prediction that seemed plausible IMO by current circumstances and manga feats (in kakashi vs sasuke). U say I predicted the fight to be one sided, but how else do u think I should have written it? Sasukes far beyond kakashi now so sasuke dominating in 1 exchange which is all they had in my prediction is just too plausible at this point. I could have written kakashi was able to compete with one SG, lesser speed and resolve to kill. But that wouldve been silly seeing as how sasukes finally reached the point hes passed itachi who kakashi couldnt compete with very long.

I brought up the raikage speed because in some of the other predictions naruto was somehow arriving just as kakashi did which could only mean narutos the fastest in the manga all the sudden. i was just trying to point out ur blind eye to that little fact while criticizing my prediction of sasuke vs kakashi which is so plausible its only a matter of time before it comes to pass IMO.

Well I for one think kakashi would not be able to defeat sasuke(on assumption sasuke has better speed) and stamina,but sasuke with little chakra cannot defeat kakashi and do all those things he did to kakashi in your prediction, would he?

stubborn_d0nkey · 02-13-2010, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by freedom07

itachi is the king of stealth, everything about him is all about stealth and fast finishes thats probably why he was able to kill all those uchihas so efficitnly

hand sign speed is so fast
his genjutsus
tsykomi that controls time

he SHOULD be faster/stealthier than kakashi...but we can never know now
kakashis speed was praised in part 1 right at the beginning but i think we have gone past kakashis speed, as more characters like gai raikage minato was introduced
kakashis speed seem so insignificant comapred to theres
i dont think kakashi has been praised for his speed in part 2 at all, nor has he shown in part 2 that he is anything more than just above average in speed

that is zabuza

02-13-2010, 12:05 AM	#111
TheSixthHokage S-Ranked Shinobi Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hokage's Office Posts: 2,676 Thanks: 952 Thanked 1,017 Times in 587 Posts	Re: 483 predictions/spoiler discussion Kakashi is a seriously dangerous shinobi but Sasuke is an extremely talented Uchiha, not an Sharingan-enhanced non-clan member. This means he can spam MS far more efficiently. Yes, I agree Kakashi is also fast, but the degree in which Sasuke has been shown for speed is quite insane. I think Sasuke has the edge there as well, but just slightly. As for taijutsu, I think Kakashi might have the slight edge, but in a fight between them, it would be genjutsu and ninjutsu, with little or not taijutsu. Now if we were talking as TSO said, a sharingan-only Sasuke versus a sharingan-only Kakashi, I would say the latter has a high chance of winning. This however becomes a "nuke fight" and Sasuke can spam like mad. __________________

02-13-2010, 12:06 AM	#112
Rawform Academy Student Join Date: Feb 2010 Age: 25 Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 483 predictions/spoiler discussion well if it's a fight between kakashi and sasuke. well i gotta say sasuke is super damn strong. but i wouldn't count kakashi out so easily. coz for 1 kakashi has has jutsu to counter sasuke's (basic ones) like sasuke's katon would be countered by kakashi's suiton. then lightning vs lightning... on this they can both become mid ranged fighters. it's just a question on who'd be more clever. and then for eye jutsu it's true sasuke could take down kakashi with sukiyomi but there's is only one problem.... HE CAN'T FREAKIN' USE IT!!. and when it comes to arsenal eye attacks sasuke has the upper hand. at the same time though kakashi has the same eye jutsu as madara's (i'm pretty sure) it's just not nearly as developed. and if it was, he'd be nearly unstoppable and evading sasuke's charade of attacks would seem almost laughable. until he runs out of chakra. specially the way sasuke was going against danzo. which would lead to kakashi's downfall. i honestly think sasuke would defenetly win. but kakashi's has a good possibility against him. __________________ DERESHISHISHI!!!!!

02-13-2010, 01:20 AM	#113
durndle Gaara999 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: mancave Age: 42 Posts: 550 Thanks: 335 Thanked 277 Times in 155 Posts	Re: 483 predictions/spoiler discussion Kakashi is former Anbu. Also he's twice the age of Saskue. His abilities far surpass Saskues lack of thought. Saskue fights with abilities that were handed to him, Kakashi fights with knowledge and experience. He knows Uchia strenght and weakness, Saskue knows nothing about Kakashi other then what he taught him. Kakashi is hands down the better of the two. It will be a proven fact in the next few chapters.

02-13-2010, 04:21 AM	#118
platinumrug ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: OH Age: 23 Posts: 3,597 Thanks: 11,322 Thanked 2,991 Times in 1,380 Posts	Re: 483 predictions/spoiler discussion http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/478-26/4 Compared to Itachi's "tsukiyomi", meaning that Sasuke's tsukiyomi is nowhere near Itachi's. Just thought I'd point that out. EDIT: @ BAYSYCK: Kakashi was given the name copy ninja because he copied well over 1000 jutsu's over his lifetime. __________________ Check me out on YouTube Last edited by platinumrug; 02-13-2010 at 04:23 AM.

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