Danzou is a monster!!!!

uchihamadara · 12-10-2009, 06:49 PM

We just saw danzou with an arm full of sharingans, and per madara he said he saw Danzou at the Uchiha Incident, so they had some sort of arrangement. Why would Itachi and madara let danzou come in and take tons of sharingans otherwise. Plus Danzou has Shisui's eye as well what the hell is going on.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 12-10-2009, 07:49 PM

The one thing that gets me is Ao said danzou has shisuis unigue chakra running through his right eye and arm. Maybe shisuis chakra and eye s special ability can allow the other SG to ehance its power and effectiveness exsponentialy.

So, danzous mind control is far more powerful, his ability to read fast movements is far greater and perhaps the enhanced reflexes the SG offers multiplied by however many SGs there are will alow danzou to move at very high speeds.

And if danzous right arm is shisuis and he had all those SGs enhancing his speed then it would make sense why shisui was known as telepoting shisui for his unrivaled shushin speed. (Probably not super mode raikage though)

Gamabunta · 12-10-2009, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by uchihamadara

We just saw danzou with an arm full of sharingans, and per madara he said he saw Danzou at the Uchiha Incident, so they had some sort of arrangement. Why would Itachi and madara let danzou come in and take tons of sharingans otherwise. Plus Danzou has Shisui's eye as well what the hell is going on.

I don't think they knew about Danzo's true motive of collecting the sharingans from the uchiha massacre...

IMO Itachi did the massacre to stop his clan coup de'tat (rebellion)

Also I think Myth is right, this danzo is adopted from kato danzo the illusionist.

durndle · 12-10-2009, 10:37 PM

Danzou is {like I said a million times already] Not really a villian. He in his own way, really trying to protect the Leaf Village. The Root is turning out to be somewhat interesting also. I'm sure He surounded himself with the more powerfull Shinobi in the village. His biggest threat towards the village is Saskue. And containing Naruto is key to protecting the Village. If Naruto is left alone to save Saskue, the Village will always be threatened. It's Danzous time to shine, and he will.

Silverblade · 12-10-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by durndle

Danzou is {like I said a million times already] Not really a villian. He in his own way, really trying to protect the Leaf Village. The Root is turning out to be somewhat interesting also. I'm sure He surounded himself with the more powerfull Shinobi in the village. His biggest threat towards the village is Saskue. And containing Naruto is key to protecting the Village. If Naruto is left alone to save Saskue, the Village will always be threatened. It's Danzous time to shine, and he will.

R U STONED?

1. Danzou worked with Orochimaru for some unknown reason
2. He pissed Nagato off by the fall of Yahiko.
3. He runs like a bitch when Konoha is in peril. A Hokage protects their village not runs from it buddy.
4. He tries to obtain "WORLD DOMINATION" the sly way.
5. Protect the leaf? Yeah right. Show me proof of how he tried to protect Konoha.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 12-10-2009, 11:11 PM

Danzous like sasuke. Hes not good, but hes not evil. Hes somewhere in that grey area, but he really might just want to protect the village. Its just his philosiphies differ from the rest of the senju clan.

Lol, by philosiphy alone danzou seems like an uchiha, but he cant be otherwise he wouldnt have to steal SG's.

durndle · 12-10-2009, 11:20 PM

Well we don't know why he worked with Oro. Also I don't think he ever anticipated Jiraiya training Nagato. Nagato only wanted to destroy Konoha because he was a victim of circumstance. He was Manipulated into wanting to Destroy the village Because Madara influenced him. He was only a pawn. He also didn't want Tsunade to let Naruto out of the village only because he Didn't want the Nine tails to fall in anyone elses hands. If it did, it would be a threat to the village. Think what you want, but in Danzous own Sadistic way he was trying to protect the village. I wish I was stoned.

stubborn_d0nkey · 12-11-2009, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Silverblade

R U STONED?

1. Danzou worked with Orochimaru for some unknown reason
2. He pissed Nagato off by the fall of Yahiko.
3. He runs like a bitch when Konoha is in peril. A Hokage protects their village not runs from it buddy.
4. He tries to obtain "WORLD DOMINATION" the sly way.
5. Protect the leaf? Yeah right. Show me proof of how he tried to protect Konoha.

L0L dude, i agree with him. his goals are noble but his methods... To take a real life example to compare with danzo: Hitler. He wanted the best for germany, wanted to create his vision of the "perfect world" but we all know how he tried to do it

TokenSmoke · 12-11-2009, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Silverblade

R U STONED?

1. Danzou worked with Orochimaru for some unknown reason
2. He pissed Nagato off by the fall of Yahiko.
3. He runs like a bitch when Konoha is in peril. A Hokage protects their village not runs from it buddy.
4. He tries to obtain "WORLD DOMINATION" the sly way.
5. Protect the leaf? Yeah right. Show me proof of how he tried to protect Konoha.

First:
1) yes he did work with Orochimaru. He used him as a tool in order to put himself in the seat of power so that he could make the changes necessary to enforce the safety of the village, nay, the whole ninja world.
2)I don't see how pissing off Nagato makes him evil.
3)He was running from Sasuke, perhaps trying to draw him out of there. If he had remained he would have revealed secrets about Konoha to all of the villages (his arm and the uchiha massacre)
4)What's inherently wrong with that? First of all, it isn't world domination... He wants to make the lands unite. That's totally cool.
5)I suppose the organization root which operates to keep konoha alive is one thing. He removed the threat of a coup by eliminating the Uchiha clan (not a bad move really, they seemed pretty dubious). He attempts to gain the hokage seat so that he can unite the ninja world for peace... His actions are usually justifiable. He's not bad -- like in any war ever fought, he uses dirty means to get better ends.

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L0L dude, i agree with him. his goals are noble but his methods... To take a real life example to compare with danzo: Hitler. He wanted the best for germany, wanted to create his vision of the "perfect world" but we all know how he tried to do it

Yeah.. well, I agree with the essence of your argument here -- he is noble with lame methods (unavoidable in any war). You run into a problem with the example of Hitler though. In short, it's just not good. Hitler did have a vision of the perfect world, but it was simply wrong. It was racist, involved the German people dominating the world etc. At least Danzo's is admirable - he wants peace by uniting the villages. This is different than Hitler. A better example (but, ironically, related!) would be the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan. It saved more lives than it cost (well, there's disagreement on that) and it ended WWII and created peace almost immediately. A bomb is dirty dirty means to get peace, but history has shown that it works. Maybe Danzo is more like that rather than Hitler.

K...
I'd like to respond with my 'pro-Danzo is a good guy' view. I happen to agree with many things he says. For instance, the lenience of the third hokage to let Orochimaru go instead of killing him is a characteristic not fitting for a leader. Orochimaru should have died, end of story - even the third hokage came to regret his lenience. Danzo was right on this point. Tsunade has neglected putting a hit on Sasuke and now he's gunning for Konoha (although I am partial to the theory that Sasuke is pulling the wool over Madara's eyes and doesn't plan to do this). A blunt tactitian! Oh no! Without emotions, you can't be a good ruler! Well, I disagree with this too. Killing off the Uchiha clan saved more lives in the end, innocent ones at that. They were planning a coup which would have thrown a country into war.

I think we will soon discover he is a good guy.

Also, I think the power of his arm is to activate any of those sharingan when he wants. He currently uses Shisui's but I think he can turn it off and activate whichever he wants and use it's abilities. Also, I think the arm allows him to use the eyes extensively because it is of Uchiha blood and has Uchiha chakra. Dunno, just a thought.

Edit: By the way, weed doesn't make you irrational or stupid. Childhood and puberty do. Grow up.

ask me anything · 12-11-2009, 08:17 PM

How can anyone say danzo is a good guy? Or that he had good and noble intentions? That's a load of crap.

First of all danzo's only goal is to become hokage by any means. For this purpose he tried to make an alliance with hanzo to overthrow the 3rd hokage. If it hadn't been for nagato killing most of hanzo's men it would have happened and konoha would have suffered because of it. How is what he did any different from what the uchihas tried to do? At least they had good reasons. If danzo had created a civil war konoha would have been weakened and it's enemies could have taken advantage. The uchihas were wiped out to avoid that same scenario. Who could blame the uchihas for being angry that they were being oppressed and segregated. Why would all the other clans be considered equals yet the uchihas had their land taken and were forced on a reservation like a bunch of indians. And who was responsible for this? It was none other then the 2nd hokage. So fuck the Senju and fuck danzo too.

Also the argument that danzo wanted to protect his village is crap too. Really he wanted to protect the villages strength so that when he took over he'd be in charge of the strongest village in the shinobi world. What would be the point of letting his village get weak. That would just make his job harder when he took over. And here's a question. Where was danzo when Pain was attacking? And what about Root? I didn't see them. If they were so concerned about the village they should have been on the front lines. I'm sure Torune's nano-bugs and Fuu's mind swapping voodoo doll techs could have taken out a few of pains bodies. But no danzo was sitting back while his villagers were being slaughtered. He was probable hoping pain would kill tsunade so he could become hokage. I wouldn't be surprised if he new Pain was coming and made a deal with madara before hand.

Bottom line. He wanted sharigans for himself. He wanted the title of hokage for himself. Every deal he made with anyone was to benefit himself. People can call that good or noble, but I call that pure selfishness.

Edit: @stubborn_narut0 Your right about Hitler being the same as danzo, but what your wrong about is the idea that Hitler actually cared about Germany. Hitler knew what the people wanted to hear and said just that. He exploited their fear, hatred, and poverty and directed it at the Jews. In reality Hitler didn't care about killing Jews (hell he was married to one), just the wealth he could acquire by taking their property and businesses. WWII was about nothing more then conquering land to expand his power. For this he made allies with the Russians (communist) and Italy (socialist). In the same way danzo doesn't really care about konoha, just the power he would have as it's leader. Just as Hitler blamed to greed of the Jews for Germany's troubles, Danzo blamed the villages lack of power on the senju and it's "will of fire" philosophy. He's made alliances with Madara and Orochimaru (both villains), to further his own ambitions. In his mind for him to succeed anyone is expendable. He see konoha's power as his own to do what ever he wants. That is definitely the mindset of a villain.

durndle · 12-11-2009, 09:04 PM

His main goal has always been to be Hokage, We all know that. But whether you believe it or not, he did what he did to protect the village. And if that means Gaining more power to do so he did what he had to do to make that happen. Say he's a villian all you want, He will end up being the one to do more to save the village than Naruto. He will beat Saskue, and that beatdown will force Saskue to take his brothers eyes. Madara Fail. Things keep going his way, He manipulates his most powerful Allies time and time again. Itachi was manipulated by the village, Pain was manipulated by Madara, Saskue was manipulated by Oro. And Irony, Saskue manipulated by Madara. Uchiha manipulation is Easy. Read the story, Now Saskue will once again do something someone else wants him to do. Think for himself, Doubt it. Danzou plotted this out for years and now it comes to fruition.

ask me anything · 12-11-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by durndle

His main goal has always been to be Hokage, We all know that. But whether you believe it or not, he did what he did to protect the village. And if that means Gaining more power to do so he did what he had to do to make that happen. Say he's a villian all you want, He will end up being the one to do more to save the village than Naruto. He will beat Saskue, and that beatdown will force Saskue to take his brothers eyes. Madara Fail. Things keep going his way, He manipulates his most powerful Allies time and time again. Itachi was manipulated by the village, Pain was manipulated by Madara, Saskue was manipulated by Oro. And Irony, Saskue manipulated by Madara. Uchiha manipulation is Easy. Read the story, Now Saskue will once again do something someone else wants him to do. Think for himself, Doubt it. Danzou plotted this out for years and now it comes to fruition.

Then explain to me how or when danzo has ever tried to protect the village. Where was he and his root minions when Pain was attacking the village. I didn't see a single root ninja protecting the village. Danzo, Fuu and, Torune could have beat many of pains bodies before naruto even showed up. Yet they didn't lift a single finger to help.

And as I said earlier. If konoha were involved in a civil war it would have weakened the village and left it vulnerable to outside risks. It was for this very reason that the uchiha clan was killed. Yet Danzo himself had no problems making alliances with Hanzo to do the same thing. Can you see the hypocrisy. That shows Danzo is in it for himself only, and doesn't care what happens as long as he comes out on top.

So yes, physically, emotionally and psychologically Danzo is a monster.

durndle · 12-11-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

How can anyone say danzo is a good guy? Or that he had good and noble intentions? That's a load of crap.

First of all danzo's only goal is to become hokage by any means. For this purpose he tried to make an alliance with hanzo to overthrow the 3rd hokage. If it hadn't been for nagato killing most of hanzo's men it would have happened and konoha would have suffered because of it. How is what he did any different from what the uchihas tried to do? At least they had good reasons. If danzo had created a civil war konoha would have been weakened and it's enemies could have taken advantage. The uchihas were wiped out to avoid that same scenario. Who could blame the uchihas for being angry that they were being oppressed and segregated. Why would all the other clans be considered equals yet the uchihas had their land taken and were forced on a reservation like a bunch of indians. And who was responsible for this? It was none other then the 2nd hokage. So fuck the Senju and fuck danzo too.

Also the argument that danzo wanted to protect his village is crap too. Really he wanted to protect the villages strength so that when he took over he'd be in charge of the strongest village in the shinobi world. What would be the point of letting his village get weak. That would just make his job harder when he took over. And here's a question. Where was danzo when Pain was attacking? And what about Root? I didn't see them. If they were so concerned about the village they should have been on the front lines. I'm sure Torune's nano-bugs and Fuu's mind swapping voodoo doll techs could have taken out a few of pains bodies. But no danzo was sitting back while his villagers were being slaughtered. He was probable hoping pain would kill tsunade so he could become hokage. I wouldn't be surprised if he new Pain was coming and made a deal with madara before hand.

Bottom line. He wanted sharigans for himself. He wanted the title of hokage for himself. Every deal he made with anyone was to benefit himself. People can call that good or noble, but I call that pure selfishness.

Edit: @stubborn_narut0 Your right about Hitler being the same as danzo, but what your wrong about is the idea that Hitler actually cared about Germany. Hitler knew what the people wanted to hear and said just that. He exploited their fear, hatred, and poverty and directed it at the Jews. In reality Hitler didn't care about killing Jews (hell he was married to one), just the wealth he could acquire by taking their property and businesses. WWII was about nothing more then conquering land to expand his power. For this he made allies with the Russians (communist) and Italy (socialist). In the same way danzo doesn't really care about konoha, just the power he would have as it's leader. Just as Hitler blamed to greed of the Jews for Germany's troubles, Danzo blamed the villages lack of power on the senju and it's "will of fire" philosophy. He's made alliances with Madara and Orochimaru (both villains), to further his own ambitions. In his mind for him to succeed anyone is expendable. He see konoha's power as his own to do what ever he wants. That is definitely the mindset of a villain.

See Nagato actually in a roundabout way saved Konoaha more then once, How Ironic.

ask me anything · 12-11-2009, 09:43 PM

Lol, I never thought about it like that.

uchihamadara · 12-11-2009, 09:45 PM

You guys can go back and forth with this arguement, but Danzou has an arm full of sharingans, to me that doesn't relly scream out A Good Guy!!!! He was manipulating the Summit moderator Mifune and then when confronted he ran. He also tried to kill the Mizukages guard. These things that Danzou does don't support the good guy argument he may be in the gray area now, but the more we see of him he's looking like an inside villain. Now in story plots there is always a main villain, but some story plots produce an inside villain who is at first seen as a good guy, but later his decisions and actions stray far away from that of a normal "good" character I.E. Danzou killing The messenger frog, or manipulating Mifune. Up until this point in the manga Danzou is hands down an inside villain.

12-10-2009, 06:49 PM	#1
uchihamadara Hunter-Nin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: lower manhattan Age: 24 Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 22 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts	Danzou is a monster!!!! We just saw danzou with an arm full of sharingans, and per madara he said he saw Danzou at the Uchiha Incident, so they had some sort of arrangement. Why would Itachi and madara let danzou come in and take tons of sharingans otherwise. Plus Danzou has Shisui's eye as well what the hell is going on. __________________ The badass shinobis

12-10-2009, 10:37 PM	#4
durndle Gaara999 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: mancave Age: 42 Posts: 550 Thanks: 335 Thanked 277 Times in 155 Posts	Re: Danzou is a monster!!!! Danzou is {like I said a million times already] Not really a villian. He in his own way, really trying to protect the Leaf Village. The Root is turning out to be somewhat interesting also. I'm sure He surounded himself with the more powerfull Shinobi in the village. His biggest threat towards the village is Saskue. And containing Naruto is key to protecting the Village. If Naruto is left alone to save Saskue, the Village will always be threatened. It's Danzous time to shine, and he will.

12-10-2009, 11:20 PM	#7
durndle Gaara999 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: mancave Age: 42 Posts: 550 Thanks: 335 Thanked 277 Times in 155 Posts	Re: Danzou is a monster!!!! Well we don't know why he worked with Oro. Also I don't think he ever anticipated Jiraiya training Nagato. Nagato only wanted to destroy Konoha because he was a victim of circumstance. He was Manipulated into wanting to Destroy the village Because Madara influenced him. He was only a pawn. He also didn't want Tsunade to let Naruto out of the village only because he Didn't want the Nine tails to fall in anyone elses hands. If it did, it would be a threat to the village. Think what you want, but in Danzous own Sadistic way he was trying to protect the village. I wish I was stoned. Last edited by durndle; 12-10-2009 at 11:21 PM.

12-11-2009, 08:17 PM	#10
ask me anything Simply AMAzing Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Impel Down Posts: 3,052 Thanks: 8,821 Thanked 3,361 Times in 1,497 Posts	Re: Danzou is a monster!!!! How can anyone say danzo is a good guy? Or that he had good and noble intentions? That's a load of crap. First of all danzo's only goal is to become hokage by any means. For this purpose he tried to make an alliance with hanzo to overthrow the 3rd hokage. If it hadn't been for nagato killing most of hanzo's men it would have happened and konoha would have suffered because of it. How is what he did any different from what the uchihas tried to do? At least they had good reasons. If danzo had created a civil war konoha would have been weakened and it's enemies could have taken advantage. The uchihas were wiped out to avoid that same scenario. Who could blame the uchihas for being angry that they were being oppressed and segregated. Why would all the other clans be considered equals yet the uchihas had their land taken and were forced on a reservation like a bunch of indians. And who was responsible for this? It was none other then the 2nd hokage. So fuck the Senju and fuck danzo too. Also the argument that danzo wanted to protect his village is crap too. Really he wanted to protect the villages strength so that when he took over he'd be in charge of the strongest village in the shinobi world. What would be the point of letting his village get weak. That would just make his job harder when he took over. And here's a question. Where was danzo when Pain was attacking? And what about Root? I didn't see them. If they were so concerned about the village they should have been on the front lines. I'm sure Torune's nano-bugs and Fuu's mind swapping voodoo doll techs could have taken out a few of pains bodies. But no danzo was sitting back while his villagers were being slaughtered. He was probable hoping pain would kill tsunade so he could become hokage. I wouldn't be surprised if he new Pain was coming and made a deal with madara before hand. Bottom line. He wanted sharigans for himself. He wanted the title of hokage for himself. Every deal he made with anyone was to benefit himself. People can call that good or noble, but I call that pure selfishness. Edit: @stubborn_narut0 Your right about Hitler being the same as danzo, but what your wrong about is the idea that Hitler actually cared about Germany. Hitler knew what the people wanted to hear and said just that. He exploited their fear, hatred, and poverty and directed it at the Jews. In reality Hitler didn't care about killing Jews (hell he was married to one), just the wealth he could acquire by taking their property and businesses. WWII was about nothing more then conquering land to expand his power. For this he made allies with the Russians (communist) and Italy (socialist). In the same way danzo doesn't really care about konoha, just the power he would have as it's leader. Just as Hitler blamed to greed of the Jews for Germany's troubles, Danzo blamed the villages lack of power on the senju and it's "will of fire" philosophy. He's made alliances with Madara and Orochimaru (both villains), to further his own ambitions. In his mind for him to succeed anyone is expendable. He see konoha's power as his own to do what ever he wants. That is definitely the mindset of a villain. __________________ Last edited by ask me anything; 12-11-2009 at 08:39 PM.

12-11-2009, 09:04 PM	#11
durndle Gaara999 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: mancave Age: 42 Posts: 550 Thanks: 335 Thanked 277 Times in 155 Posts	Re: Danzou is a monster!!!! His main goal has always been to be Hokage, We all know that. But whether you believe it or not, he did what he did to protect the village. And if that means Gaining more power to do so he did what he had to do to make that happen. Say he's a villian all you want, He will end up being the one to do more to save the village than Naruto. He will beat Saskue, and that beatdown will force Saskue to take his brothers eyes. Madara Fail. Things keep going his way, He manipulates his most powerful Allies time and time again. Itachi was manipulated by the village, Pain was manipulated by Madara, Saskue was manipulated by Oro. And Irony, Saskue manipulated by Madara. Uchiha manipulation is Easy. Read the story, Now Saskue will once again do something someone else wants him to do. Think for himself, Doubt it. Danzou plotted this out for years and now it comes to fruition.

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ask me anything Simply AMAzing Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Impel Down Posts: 3,052 Thanks: 8,821 Thanked 3,361 Times in 1,497 Posts	Re: Danzou is a monster!!!! Lol, I never thought about it like that. __________________

12-11-2009, 09:45 PM	#15
uchihamadara Hunter-Nin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: lower manhattan Age: 24 Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 22 Thanked 16 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Danzou is a monster!!!! You guys can go back and forth with this arguement, but Danzou has an arm full of sharingans, to me that doesn't relly scream out A Good Guy!!!! He was manipulating the Summit moderator Mifune and then when confronted he ran. He also tried to kill the Mizukages guard. These things that Danzou does don't support the good guy argument he may be in the gray area now, but the more we see of him he's looking like an inside villain. Now in story plots there is always a main villain, but some story plots produce an inside villain who is at first seen as a good guy, but later his decisions and actions stray far away from that of a normal "good" character I.E. Danzou killing The messenger frog, or manipulating Mifune. Up until this point in the manga Danzou is hands down an inside villain. __________________ The badass shinobis Last edited by uchihamadara; 12-11-2009 at 09:47 PM.

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