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Old 01-06-2010, 07:16 PM   #1
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Question An Eternal MS Ability?

Since much of Naruto is based on earlier shinto traditions from Japan, I did a little research and discovered that there are some possibilities as to what the "Final Secret" of the Mangekyou Sharingan is.
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Izanagi is a deity born of the seven divine generations in Japanese mythology and Shintoism, and is also referred to in the roughly translated Kojiki as "male-who-invites" or Izanagi-no-mikoto. It is also pronounced Izanaki-no-mikoto.
So in Japanese Mythology, Izanagi is a Shinto god and father of Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Susano'o. After losing his spouse, Izanami, and being unable to retrieve her from the underworld - out of a cleansing right, he was given those three children.

We have already seen Itachi and Sasuke utilize all three of the MS techniques (Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Susano'o. Itachi mentioned in his chapter before engaging Sasuke that Madara, was able to understand the final secret of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Just simply speculating based of the little information we have, it's possible that this new power gave him an "undying" soul at the cost of the body he is in.

This may also prove as to why Madara has not died yet and other complications through which his body arose from. It's possible that activating Izanagi drained or slowly rotted away his body, kind of like how the MS techniques force the users eye closed. It was said that when you achieve the Eternal MS, you have an undying MS but that doesn't apply to new techniques that are derived through the usage of the EMS.

What do you guys think?
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Re: An Eternal MS Ability?

Nice theory. KYF came up with a very similar theory a few months back. You should check it out.

http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=50692
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Re: An Eternal MS Ability?

I came up with this theory months ago. Granted u explain it alittle differently, but its basicly the same. Izanagi is the final MS jutsu only obtained by getting EMS, its why madaras alive, ect ect.
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Since much of Naruto is based on earlier shinto traditions from Japan, I did a little research and discovered that there are some possibilities as to what the "Final Secret" of the Mangekyou Sharingan is.
So in Japanese Mythology, Izanagi is a Shinto god and father of Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Susano'o. After losing his spouse, Izanami, and being unable to retrieve her from the underworld - out of a cleansing right, he was given those three children.

We have already seen Itachi and Sasuke utilize all three of the MS techniques (Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Susano'o. Itachi mentioned in his chapter before engaging Sasuke that Madara, was able to understand the final secret of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Just simply speculating based of the little information we have, it's possible that this new power gave him an "undying" soul at the cost of the body he is in.

This may also prove as to why Madara has not died yet and other complications through which his body arose from. It's possible that activating Izanagi drained or slowly rotted away his body, kind of like how the MS techniques force the users eye closed. It was said that when you achieve the Eternal MS, you have an undying MS but that doesn't apply to new techniques that are derived through the usage of the EMS.

What do you guys think?
Like AMA said, cool theory. Good to see KYF isn't the only one to use Japanese Lore to make a very valid point. Kudos to the both of you.
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Since much of Naruto is based on earlier shinto traditions from Japan, I did a little research and discovered that there are some possibilities as to what the "Final Secret" of the Mangekyou Sharingan is.
So in Japanese Mythology, Izanagi is a Shinto god and father of Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Susano'o. After losing his spouse, Izanami, and being unable to retrieve her from the underworld - out of a cleansing right, he was given those three children.

We have already seen Itachi and Sasuke utilize all three of the MS techniques (Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu and Susano'o. Itachi mentioned in his chapter before engaging Sasuke that Madara, was able to understand the final secret of the Mangekyou Sharingan. Just simply speculating based of the little information we have, it's possible that this new power gave him an "undying" soul at the cost of the body he is in.

This may also prove as to why Madara has not died yet and other complications through which his body arose from. It's possible that activating Izanagi drained or slowly rotted away his body, kind of like how the MS techniques force the users eye closed. It was said that when you achieve the Eternal MS, you have an undying MS but that doesn't apply to new techniques that are derived through the usage of the EMS.

What do you guys think?

cool theory bro!!really makes sense it would b cool if its true!!but i would b sad 2 see sasuke using those tech!!cause that loser will get more power ups!!and now i also have a doubt about this tech!!any wayz gr8 post dude!!
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I came up with this theory months ago. Granted u explain it alittle differently, but its basicly the same. Izanagi is the final MS jutsu only obtained by getting EMS, its why madaras alive, ect ect.
Well, months ago I wasn't really around here, so I wouldn't really know about that theory, but kudos to you. I don't know if my interpretation is any more correct or false than yours, but I just came online and spam read a great deal of chapters and this was the best I came up with this as I was reading along. But it's refreshing to know, that I'm not the only one that thought this way, either.
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Like AMA said, cool theory. Good to see KYF isn't the only one to use Japanese Lore to make a very valid point. Kudos to the both of you.
Yeah, I probably would not have even come up with this theory, if I hadn't taken that Japanese Civilization class this past semester. But yeah, it was interesting to see some fundamental and truthful aspects about a culture embedded within the real material.
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cool theory bro!!really makes sense it would b cool if its true!!but i would b sad 2 see sasuke using those tech!!cause that loser will get more power ups!!and now i also have a doubt about this tech!!any wayz gr8 post dude!!
I'm really unsatisfied with Sasuke's most recent performances, I do believe he is wasting manga pages by being rolled on by several kage level shinobi. He should have just gone and left the series after Itachi died, lived with his half-bred dog friend Karin in some mountains and wrote sexually pervasive material to pass the time.
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Re: An Eternal MS Ability?

sounds good to me
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Re: An Eternal MS Ability?

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I came up with this theory months ago. Granted u explain it alittle differently, but its basicly the same. Izanagi is the final MS jutsu only obtained by getting EMS, its why madaras alive, ect ect.
If this is true than explain why Danzo can use it???
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:51 PM   #9
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I'm really unsatisfied with Sasuke's most recent performances, I do believe he is wasting manga pages by being rolled on by several kage level shinobi. He should have just gone and left the series after Itachi died, lived with his half-bred dog friend Karin in some mountains and wrote sexually pervasive material to pass the time.
LMFAO! Half-bred dog friend Karin? I love it!

And as much as it pains me, same question as Naruto-is-the-shit. Obviously EMS isnt required for Izinagi since Danzo used it several times and had no EMS much less a Mangekeyou Sharingan. HOWEVER, as to how your own theory pertains to the EMS rather than what Danzo did, I have to wonder if Madara would have given a more open ended "mysterious" description of the jutsu rather than the seemingly complete explanation that he provided during the fight if EMS had a different effect on the jutsu. But, theres still a lot of mystery behind EMS so who the hell knows?
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Re: An Eternal MS Ability?

kishi has bare jap mythology creatures to use

and guess what

all of them are used in sharingan hax

tsyki
amaterasu
susanoo
yata mirror
sword of totsuka
kirin (used by an uchiha)
even frickin sword of tsurigi is used by sasuke
kamui
izanagi

face it
kishi saves all the myth hax for uchihas or sharingan users

theres plenty more mythology to go around
i bet that ms is unique and they all have a different one
or in itachis case, 3 different ones
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I'm guessing it will be called Sarutahiko -_-
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kishi has bare jap mythology creatures to use

and guess what

all of them are used in sharingan hax

tsyki
amaterasu
susanoo
yata mirror
sword of totsuka
kirin (used by an uchiha)
even frickin sword of tsurigi is used by sasuke
kamui
izanagi

face it
kishi saves all the myth hax for uchihas or sharingan users

theres plenty more mythology to go around
i bet that ms is unique and they all have a different one
or in itachis case, 3 different ones
Orochimaru. Kyuubi no Kitsune. Hachibi = Ushi-Oni. Nibi = Nekomata. Ichibi = Tanuki. Temari's summon the Kamaitachi.

The point of that was that it's not just the Uchiha that get Shinto mythology references.
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The Uchiha has enough eye techniques... I really hope they don't have anymore
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