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Old 02-24-2010, 08:43 PM   #61
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i agree and in the interview kishi stated that sasuke would have a change of view. so if what you said does come true it would line up with what kishi said in that interview.
He's already had a "change of view". He's gone from valuing his comrades' lives, and trying to protect them to viewing them merely as tools to be discarded or destroyed on a whim. He's gone from remembering the people he grew up with as inspiration for acts of good to seeing them only with blind hatred. He doesn't value human life anymore. Once upon a time, Sasuke cared even more about not letting the people he cared about die than achieving vengeance on Itachi. Look at him now.
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Old 02-24-2010, 08:43 PM   #62
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huh just took another look at the picture

sasuke fired 2 arrows at kakashi
kakashi warped them both
impressive
I totally forgot this. A big Touche and Bravo goes to Kakashi to have developed his MS to the point that he can now warp projectiles traveling too fast to dodge before getting hit himself. FASTER THAN HE CAN DODGE?! Thats FAST! He's come a LOOONG way from spending 5 minutes to bring MS up against Deidara.

edit: I know this is more of a prediction but Im too lazy to go that thread. At this point a Naruto Vs Sasuke fight isn't gonna happen right away. Naruto might have what it takes to at least TRY to fight Sasuke (not necessarily kill him), but he won't fight Sasuke as he is just by virtue of his honor. No way would he fight a blind and empty Sasuke.
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Re: Naruto 484 Discussion

I figured this would come up, but what about sakuras rescue was so damn fast??? Naruto did the same thing kakashi did. He stopped sasuke from killing sakura by sneaking up. Again, whats so fast about the resuce of sakura from a SGless, blind, worn out sasukes kunai attack that took like 6 panels lol???
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He's already had a "change of view". He's gone from valuing his comrades' lives, and trying to protect them to viewing them merely as tools to be discarded or destroyed on a whim. He's gone from remembering the people he grew up with as inspiration for acts of good to seeing them only with blind hatred. He doesn't value human life anymore. Once upon a time, Sasuke cared even more about not letting the people he cared about die than achieving vengeance on Itachi. Look at him now.
true i agree.
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ummm i personally think the reason kakashi is not gonna go blind like itachi and madara and sasuke is because he didnt kill anyone close to him to get it nor did he kill of hundreds of his clansmen. That being said i think if ms is obtained the right way it will not cause vision loss.

Some of you might say well it was stated in the manga that it does by madara and itachi blah blah blah. Well guess what they killed someone to get it didnt they? Now im not for sure about this since we dont yet fully know how kakashi got his ms yet but im guessing he didnt kill his bf or dad or mom or bro or gf or wife or kid or dog....
yeah just like DBZ.. Gouko and Vegeta obtain super saiyan different ways.. :P but gouko super saiyan power was better then vegeta
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I figured this would come up, but what about sakuras rescue was so damn fast??? Naruto did the same thing kakashi did. He stopped sasuke from killing sakura by sneaking up. Again, whats so fast about the resuce of sakura from a SGless, blind, worn out sasukes kunai attack that took like 6 panels lol???
not putting down kakashi's speed in the least bit, but naruto saving sakura isn't the point its the fact that he made it from where he was to where kakashi and everyone are now and as icing on the cake snatched sakura in the knick of time. he travelled a much further distance than kakashi did to save her. but the fact that kakashi made it at the time he did was fast also. naruto was leaving the cabin with yamato while kakashi was making it to sai and company's location. naruto is pretty damn fast.
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I figured this would come up, but what about sakuras rescue was so damn fast??? Naruto did the same thing kakashi did. He stopped sasuke from killing sakura by sneaking up. Again, whats so fast about the resuce of sakura from a SGless, blind, worn out sasukes kunai attack that took like 6 panels lol???
The fact that there is no way he wasn't much farther away from the scene than Kakashi was. That's why. No one saw him coming. For that to have been the case, he would have had to be quite, quite far away. To beat Kakashi to the punch from a significant distance further away is no small feat. Especially since he wasn't in sage mode at the time.
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Re: Naruto 484 Discussion

^ YEAH, also it didn't even look like sasuke knew what happened. On that last page naruto is 10 feet away holding sakura and sasuke hadn't even reacted at all.

BTW, anyone notice how kakashi is directly behind sasuke right now. He could chidori him in the back, but watch him fuck up and not take advantage of that.
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^ YEAH, also it didn't even look like sasuke knew what happened. On that last page naruto is 10 feet away holding sakura and sasuke hadn't even reacted at all.

BTW, anyone notice how kakashi is directly behind sasuke right now. Watch him fuck up and not take advantage of that.
lol kakashi is going to pull a sakura and start crying lmao.
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The fact that there is no way he wasn't much farther away from the scene than Kakashi was. That's why. No one saw him coming. For that to have been the case, he would have had to be quite, quite far away. To beat Kakashi to the punch from a significant distance further away is no small feat. Especially since he wasn't in sage mode at the time.
Don't leave out the fact that Kakashi stopped to help out the guys that Sakura knocked out with the gas and took the time to line them up like corpses in a row. Fact is that because of the varying starting distances and the relative times of departure, there's no way of telling who actually traveled faster.

IMO, I would put my money on Sage Mode Naruto to win in an 8 furlongs race. Kakashi may be a strong starter but I see him fading at about the 5 furlongs mark at which time Naruto will find his next gear and be a strong finisher like always.
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^ YEAH, also it didn't even look like sasuke knew what happened. On that last page naruto is 10 feet away holding sakura and sasuke hadn't even reacted at all.

BTW, anyone notice how kakashi is directly behind sasuke right now. He could chidori him in the back, but watch him fuck up and not take advantage of that.
LMAO....I was thinking the same thing...he could have at least immobilizedsasuke and captured him but nope he's looking naruto like woowwww!
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The fact that there is no way he wasn't much farther away from the scene than Kakashi was. That's why. No one saw him coming. For that to have been the case, he would have had to be quite, quite far away. To beat Kakashi to the punch from a significant distance further away is no small feat. Especially since he wasn't in sage mode at the time.
No one saw kakashi comming either so Why isnt his actions considered SO FAST?? Its not like kakashi couldnt have saved sakura from sasuke intime, but his previous use of kamui caused him some trouble. All naruto did was do the same thing kakashi did so whats the big difference?

And naruto showing up a chapter later comming from the cabin straight to kakashi. When kakashi went to kiba, lee and sais location then sasukes is no way to measure atcual speed. Yes he got there quick, but thats still no way to measure narutos actaul speed.
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actually you forgot that Naruto was asleep and woke up and had to sneek away from Yamato without him noticing both should take some time.
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actually you forgot that Naruto was asleep and woke up and had to sneek away from Yamato without him noticing both should take some time.
Trying to use naruto arriving a chapter after kakashi just isnt a good arguement for SM narutos speed. Naruto arrived at the same time or before, yes, but after. No. Lol, Too much couldve happened inbetween the time kakashi and sai werent shown comming for sakura. Kakashi couldve taken a 20 minute shit brake for all we know which is why this cant really be used to gauge speed.
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