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Old 03-15-2010, 03:15 PM   #106
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The newer translation makes more sense about Kisame's gambit, but still, if it was a Zetsu clone, shouldn't Zetsu tell Madara right away what happened? It sounds silly considering last chapter.
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Old 03-15-2010, 03:28 PM   #107
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Re: 487 Predictions/Spoilers

I think I see now what happened. Kishi fucked up or more likely his editors that watch over his work think he fucked up. So for the sake of having more extra fights and not too much emphasis on emo sausage fest we have kisame suddenly back again for round 2 thanks to plot no jutsu. Add on top of that Zetsu is able now to mimic people perfectly with ease. It would appear kishi needs to take some writing advice from some of us who do predictions cause his writing in this case is starting to suck. As for orochi kabuto, he might as well be nicknamed "whybother" cause no one in the end is gonna give two shits about him so when sasuke probably encounters him his first reaction is gonna be, "Why I should I even bother to kill you when you are just a waste of my time?". I had hoped this chapter would get better but once again the kish resorts to plot no jutsu when he can find anything decent to write.

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Old 03-15-2010, 03:35 PM   #108
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Re: 487 Predictions/Spoilers

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The newer translation makes more sense about Kisame's gambit, but still, if it was a Zetsu clone, shouldn't Zetsu tell Madara right away what happened? It sounds silly considering last chapter.
The way I am reading it, it appears that Kisame has pulled off the Trojan horse of Ninja Land and Zetsu is going to meet up with him. This is as planned, which means Madara wouldn't need to be updated.

@ cruiser during the Gaara arc Zetsu made perfect clones of the four knuckle heads including Gai. I see no plot holes just early assumptions of Kisame's death.
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Old 03-15-2010, 03:48 PM   #109
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@ cruiser during the Gaara arc Zetsu made perfect clones of the four knuckle heads including Gai. I see no plot holes just early assumptions of Kisame's death.
I might be wrong, but weren't those clones, along with Kisame and Itachi's clones, attributed to Pain?
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Old 03-15-2010, 03:52 PM   #110
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Re: 487 Predictions/Spoilers

wasn't that some trap that mirrored the people who triggered it, i dont think zetsu had anything to do with it, he was just being a recon as usual, but i could be wrong

or you referring to when they used other peoples bodies to mimic their own? when they faught at " 30% " or whatever it was. They were using Sasori's underlings, but could have been anyones underlings but i dno too many if's...

i think this is what you are referring to

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Old 03-15-2010, 04:25 PM   #111
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^you're not getting why have madara tell zetsu to go check on kisame if he was the one to tell him to be a kisame decoy thats bullshit and makes no sense
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The newer translation makes more sense about Kisame's gambit, but still, if it was a Zetsu clone, shouldn't Zetsu tell Madara right away what happened? It sounds silly considering last chapter.
The spoiler sounds stupid when you take onemanga's translation into account "worried about kisame"
but taking MS translation it makes sense because madara said go check on kisame and without the worried part,which might mean he should just check his progress with whatever he is up to now,we have to consider this is translation if somethings do not make sense its not always the writer's fault,there are words and expressions in some language that aren't in others.
eg if you translate "A chip of the old block" to Spanish it doesn't make any sense whatsoever in spanish.

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Old 03-15-2010, 04:27 PM   #112
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I might be wrong, but weren't those clones, along with Kisame and Itachi's clones, attributed to Pain?
Wasn't GEDO MAZO attributed to pain?
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Re: 487 Predictions/Spoilers

if kisame is alive it runs the manga.. there was no hint that he didnt die besides him talking after he got decapitated but it would explain alot by him being alive.. and if im not mistaken zetsu has been at pretty much every important fight since naruto sasuke round 1. so it wouldnt surprise me too much if kisame was like shit im gonna lose take my place while i retreat..
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Gedou Mazou seems to be linked to everyone that was attuned to it, this is a particular jutsu that until know it wasn't linked to anybody else. About the translation, you might be on the mark on this one, thanks for the explanation. I'm just a little bothered because Kisame should've remained dead, now he's going to be trolled harder just for the plot's sake.
Actually it was linked to the rinnengan and it didn't mention anywhere that its linked to anyone bro. and yh you're welcome,hehe
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Re: 487 Predictions/Spoilers

there WILL be a reason for kisame being alive

I am 100% sure that he wont just go into another fight and die without doing something relevent to the plot

madara said himself that hes sorry to have kept his identity to kisame, kisame and madara has had history, connection whatever

for madara to send zetsu to protect kisame is probably the same reason why he sends zetsu to protect sasuke
they are both useful to madara
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:12 PM   #116
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Actually it was linked to the rinnengan and it didn't mention anywhere that its linked to anyone bro.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/453/18/ (top left panel)

If Madara wants Sasuke to sync with the Gedou Mazou, he must summon it, but since the Gedou Mazou was first linked to Pain, the only way that panel doesn't drop in a plot hole if it's everyone that used Gedou Mazou became linked to it, therefore able to summon it. But that's my opinion, I might be wrong.

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I am 100% sure that he wont just go into another fight and die without doing something relevent to the plot
Hidan and Kakuzu want to talk with you about "second battle with plot relevancy".

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madara said himself that hes sorry to have kept his identity to kisame, kisame and madara has had history, connection whatever
And Danzou had a connection to the Kyuubi. See how that ended up.

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for madara to send zetsu to protect kisame is probably the same reason why he sends zetsu to protect sasuke
they are both useful to madara
Kisame is definitively useful to Madara and to the plot, don't get me wrong, he has potential, but I don't know if that's enough to save him from Kishimoto's recent streak of trolls.
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Old 03-15-2010, 05:15 PM   #117
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there WILL be a reason for kisame being alive

I am 100% sure that he wont just go into another fight and die without doing something relevent to the plot

madara said himself that hes sorry to have kept his identity to kisame, kisame and madara has had history, connection whatever

for madara to send zetsu to protect kisame is probably the same reason why he sends zetsu to protect sasuke
they are both useful to madara
thats a very smart analysis cuz now to think about it how many people did madara actually care about and try to keep alive? i jus want to know what happened to juugo and suigetsu they literally vanished from the storyline is madara gonna save them too?
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^No. Odds are, Karin will attempt to vouch for them not being executed, assuming that she decides to go with the people that saved her life instead of the one that tried to end it, which by all accounts she seems likely to do.
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Re: 487 Predictions/Spoilers

no it has been mentioned by kishi that suigetsu juugo and karin are fodders
they were never supposed to serve a purpose past the fight with itachi

plus not 1 of them are akatsuki standard ninjas
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http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/453/18/ (top left panel)

If Madara wants Sasuke to sync with the Gedou Mazou, he must summon it, but since the Gedou Mazou was first linked to Pain, the only way that panel doesn't drop in a plot hole if it's everyone that used Gedou Mazou became linked to it, therefore able to summon it. But that's my opinion, I might be wrong.
yep because we thought GM was only linked to pain and the rinnegan,so meaning the justu too might not be an 'only pain thingy' after all,but we would see,hehe
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