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Old 06-07-2010, 07:52 AM   #1
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Screw Destiny

Remember the time Naruto was about screw destiny and I am my own self? Remember the time Naruto actually managed to convince Neji that predestination as he sees it is wrong?

Now we have the usual half-assed destined child cliché that is jarring to say the least. No more rising up to the challenge by choice or hard work...sigh.

Also, the story is getting way slow in it's pacing... and that is to say, when it focuses only on the main plotline. If it is as unhinged as it is, how in the bloody hell is the manga going to tie up?


At least it is not Berserk or the NGE manga....
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:55 PM   #2
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Naruto just said that to shut him up.couldn't you tell

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Remember the time Naruto was about screw destiny and I am my own self? Remember the time Naruto actually managed to convince Neji that predestination as he sees it is wrong?

Now we have the usual half-assed destined child cliché that is jarring to say the least. No more rising up to the challenge by choice or hard work...sigh.

Also, the story is getting way slow in it's pacing... and that is to say, when it focuses only on the main plotline. If it is as unhinged as it is, how in the bloody hell is the manga going to tie up?


At least it is not Berserk or the NGE manga....
I also remember a demon-possessed lad who rejected his said condition, in order to grow as a warrior. Now however, he is embracing this dark aspect of himself for greater power. That sure lasted long... 2 years?
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Re: Screw Destiny

The first 100 chapters of Berserk are better than anything within the Narutoworld. After that Berserk becomes just another money maker manga. Don't get me wrong Berserk is cool but it only should have lasted 125 chapters.

As for this manga ummm yeah it kind of sucks but what can you do. It at the very least is something to pass the time & talk about every now & then.
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Re: Screw Destiny

I really do hope the whole BS with how the "Destined Child" can either destroy or "save" the world comes into play. Because from the way the "prophecy" is worded, Naruto HAS to be the one to make the EXACT decision that chooses "the fate of the world." If Kishi knew how to write, he'd actually make some kind of deal as to whether Naruto is actually MAKING the right decisions for the outcome that he wants, rather than the one that could come to pass. If Kishi just has Naruto "save the world" without any real chance of failure by his own designs, rather than just through conflict with Madara, it will suck. It'll suck either way, but it'll suck substantially more.

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Re: Screw Destiny

I agreed with you until you got to this point below:

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Destiny and fate are the premises of the Berserk Storyline (Gutts is destined to struggle against it)... Naruto is wishy washy in that respect by saying people aren't guarded by fate but contradicts itself toward where we are now in the story...

But comparing Naruto to Berserk... Go home... No offense intended...
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:16 PM   #8
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Re: Screw Destiny

Kishi got himself into trouble. Naruto always fought against the way things are. The talk with Neji was evidence not to give in to destiny or "the way things are" but define yourself. Then Kishi writes that it shall be destined that Naruto will break the cycle of hatred, or defeat the "way things are". So, he fights destiny because it is his destiny.

And if you don't understand, I'll simplify. The prophecy is pointless - Naruto would have had just as much drive to change the world if he had just listened to Jiraiya and Kakashi and Minato, rather than need the toads to tell the future. It is a bad plot device Kishi didn't really need.

PS And Vengence - I agree. The back story of Gutts and Griffith in Berserk was stellar. I'm less impressed with his now constant fight against in the dark. Although, I'm still trying to catch up to the current issue.

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I agree TSO, you can't even compare Naruto to Beserk.
Beserk is just..goddamn epic.
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Re: Screw Destiny

Naruto should have ended with the IoP arc tbh.

Surpassing the urge to spill blood in the name of revenge is pure win and quite frankly displayed the type of man Naruto is, perfect to end the series and culminate the long struggle of his to shed his initial image as the ticking time bomb demon child who would be the end of Konoha.

Working in Sasuke being reformed after Itachi's death and couples here and there and epic finish. 450 was the perfect ending with Naruto finally being herald as the hero.

But nooooooooo. Instead we see a pussification of Naruto, Sasuke becoming nonsensically gnerd rage, and ridiculous plot lines being thrown into the mix.

The only reason I still follow this manga is to see who Naruto ends up with, nothing more. The fights are no longer interesting to me since its Pew Pew Haxxor lazer monkeys, and giant moon monsters and evil harry potter characters don't do it for me either.

unfortunately the couples thing will most likely be kicked down the road till the very end, so I have to put up with it.
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Re: Screw Destiny

This is the thing about destiny, it is cooler to see someone fight for their beliefs and work hard to achieve something, so when Naruto is the "destined child" that means he is meant to succeed in advance. But maybe Naruto will have to face another destined child before the end and that would be a struggle of some sort.
What I mean is, what if Minato is Tobi. Then we have a destined child because the prophecy was that one of Jiraiya's students would become the destined child to bring the peace and the other to bring destruction (Minato and Nagato). That way Naruto could struggle against destiny once more. But by doing so, when he wins, he becomes the destined child. Or maybe not, I would like that better, it is an unrealistic ideal anyway. It would be better for Naruto to just become hokage at the end and try to change world gradually by having good relations with other countries (his gift is making friends). That would be a more realistic end than to achieve world peace all of a sudden, that would be wtf.
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What I mean is, what if Minato is Tobi. Then we have a destined child because the prophecy was that one of Jiraiya's students would become the destined child to bring the peace and the other to bring destruction (Minato and Nagato). That way Naruto could struggle against destiny once more. But by doing so, when he wins, he becomes the destined child. Or maybe not, I would like that better, it is an unrealistic ideal anyway. It would be better for Naruto to just become hokage at the end and try to change world gradually by having good relations with other countries (his gift is making friends). That would be a more realistic end than to achieve world peace all of a sudden, that would be wtf.
...what? I'm sorry. What?

The "meant to succeed" part is what I addressed earlier: if Kishi wants to dig himself out of this hole, he needs to have conflict involving the fact that the "destined child" is not guaranteed to "save the world." The "destined child" may cause the world to fall to destruction and chaos as well. And by the wording of the prophecy, it has to be the destined child that is responsible for whatever happens. IMO, there should be some serious deliberation on the fact that Naruto may well make the wrong decision, even if he never intended to.
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@Dagaro agree with you. Pain should have been the final villain & Tobi really should have never been introduced into this manga. If written a bit different this manga could have ended in that arc.
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Re: Screw Destiny

Or, if not finished there, at least one more arc after Itachi and Pein where Kisame is defeated by Suigetsu, Zetzu by the others (or he gets away) to dismantle all of Akatsuki and have Sasuke return to Konoha to face off with Naruto - to whatever end.

Still, I wonder what our reaction would have been to Book-no-jutsu if it had been the finale.
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