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Old 06-18-2010, 12:08 AM   #241
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I agree that Tsunade isn't his grandmotherand all that stuff, but didn't the 1st and 2nd Hokage's make Sarutobi Hokkage when he was just a little kid?
No, he was at least in his late twenties, because he became Hokage after the mission that Danzo flashed back to when he was dying.
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Let's look at the ages here...

When she was found, she was 50. This is 12 years after Minato died, which would make her 38. Minato was presumably in his mid 20s, since I don't foresee the Elders making a teenager Hokage, regardless of his talents. This would make Tsunade about 13 years old when Minato was born. There's no way that would work.
the word presumably throws all this out the window and I've moved from Minato to Kushina .. we know nothing about her .. age or schooling . she could have been 3 years younger than minato and in his class.. We just have to wait.. ..My point is that tThe senju are legendary.. Naruto is a senju.. is where i see the story going.. Tsunade is the only known Senju around .. kishi has to tie Naruto to her some way .. the whole Jink being chosen from the kage familly thing lends credibility that the converse of that may be tryue.. that a kage can be chosen due to who the jink is.. we know that KB was the jink during the reign of the 3rd Raikage and that Ei was chosen after that.. it was never stated that the 3rd raikage was the 4th Raikeagges father but we know Ei was chosen after KB was the Kuomo jink
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the word presumably throws all this out the window and I've moved from Minato to Kushina .. we know nothing about her .. age or schooling . she could have been 3 years younger than minato and in his class.. We just have to wait.. ..My point is that tThe senju are legendary.. Naruto is a senju.. is where i see the story going.. Tsunade is the only known Senju around .. kishi has to tie Naruto to her some way .. the whole Jink being chosen from the kage familly thing lends credibility that the converse of that may be tryue.. that a kage can be chosen due to who the jink is.. we know that KB was the jink during the reign of the 3rd Raikage and that Ei was chosen after that.. it was never stated that the 3rd raikage was the 4th Raikeagges father but we know Ei was chosen after KB was the Kuomo jink
SHe and Minato looked about the same age, as all the classmates I have seen together so far. Tsunade is the only Senju, but Naruto can just as easily be from the genes of the 2nd Hokage. For all we know, Sasuke and Itachi are the genes of Madara's brother, who does favor Sasuke. Everybody important can be related by a 2 strong brothers. I think Tsunade could be his grandma, and i hear where u are coming from with Jiraiya saying, "I never had kids, but if Minato was my son..." , but that's not enough for everyone. Some people need more than that to be as convinced as u. I wouldnt bet money that Tsunade is his real grandma, but I think it's a possibility. As to why is hasnt been revealed if so, same reason Kishi hints at other things and doesnt reveal them until he feels like it. Was is made clear that Rai was chosen because of who killa B was? Killa B could have been chosen for the future Raikage which likely was already gonna be his brother, hands down, knowing old man wont always be Kage enough to grow up with this 5 year old jinjuriki.
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SHe and Minato looked about the same age, as all the classmates I have seen together so far. Tsunade is the only Senju, but Naruto can just as easily be from the genes of the 2nd Hokage. For all we know, Sasuke and Itachi are the genes of Madara's brother, who does favor Sasuke. Everybody important can be related by a 2 strong brothers. I think Tsunade could be his grandma, and i hear where u are coming from with Jiraiya saying, "I never had kids, but if Minato was my son..." , but that's not enough for everyone. Some people need more than that to be as convinced as u. I wouldnt bet money that Tsunade is his real grandma, but I think it's a possibility. As to why is hasnt been revealed if so, same reason Kishi hints at other things and doesnt reveal them until he feels like it. Was is made clear that Rai was chosen because of who killa B was? Killa B could have been chosen for the future Raikage which likely was already gonna be his brother, hands down, knowing old man wont always be Kage enough to grow up with this 5 year old jinjuriki.
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no it didn't say how old he was in that flashback.. you can't assume that he was in his twenties

we have a flashback of the first and second telling a young Hiruzen that he would be hokage long before then .. so who's to say what the appropriate age for a kage is .. just look at gaara.. he's been Kazekage for a while now and he's Naruto's age
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This converse point was made to make a link between Tsunade and J-man as well as Kakashi being senju..as they were candidates for hokage everyone is going to cry incest.. but Konoha is like a major city.. there are soo many fammilies connected in a city.. and they all came from the most part of generations of people before them and people moving in..that doesn't make them any less related

I say that to say this.. that J-man and tsunade might have been chosen as candidates for Hokage not only for their incredible ability as Sanin but also that they may have a familly link to konaha's current jinchuriki.

But this raises another question about Kushina.. if she was a jink then she mus have been chosen due to her relation to a kage .. either the Uzukage or Hokage and it might explain how the sarutobi clan came into power cause the attack would have happened during kushina's time .. and was she the jink when she showed up in the leaf during sarutobi's time
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no it didn't say how old he was in that flashback.. you can't assume that he was in his twenties

we have a flashback of the first and second telling a young Hiruzen that he would be hokage long before then .. so who's to say what the appropriate age for a kage is .. just look at gaara.. he's been Kazekage for a while now and he's Naruto's age
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This converse point was made to make a link between Tsunade and J-man as well as Kakashi being senju..as they were candidates for hokage everyone is going to cry incest.. but Konoha is like a major city.. there are soo many fammilies connected in a city.. and they all came from the most part of generations of people before them and people moving in..that doesn't make them any less related

I say that to say this.. that J-man and tsunade might have been chosen as candidates for Hokage not only for their incredible ability as Sanin but also that they may have a familly link to konaha's current jinchuriki.

But this raises another question about Kushina.. if she was a jink then she mus have been chosen due to her relation to a kage .. either the Uzukage or Hokage and it might explain how the sarutobi clan came into power cause the attack would have happened during kushina's time .. and was she the jink when she showed up in the leaf during sarutobi's time

Danzou was almost chosen, and everybody knows Danzou and Naruto have no interaction, and all higher ups would know Naruto still wanted Sasuke back home, where Danzou wanted him dead. But the fact that the jinjuriki and Danzou had no relation wasnt even a factor in any reason why Danzou shouldnt be Hokage. When dealing with Beast like 8 and 9 tails, given their past, only "special candidates" should even be considered. Too much power for just anyone, in my opinion. Kushina must have already been special which is why somebody saw if fit to put Kyuubi in her later. The 3rd Secret War of "stealing" secrets" was going on, maybe Konoha felt the safest place for Kyuubi was in someone? Hope Kishi comes up with something better than that

IF Kushina had "special chakra" from childhood, or any visible blood relation to the 1st Sage, she would be top candidate for the 9 tails. Naruto only got this far with Kyuubi because of his "special stamina/chakra". In the Cloud, the way 8 tails kept flipping out, im assuming that the only potential jinjuriki were those relatives of the KingK Raikage, which possibly carried some genetic abilities that made him and his offspring beast, like Raikage seems to be with his Buuji level chakra. If grown ass men cant control this shit, why would Killa B be so special at 5 years, other than the fact that he is Rai's little brother? Rai should have been the prime candidate for the next in line to control that beast, especially given the way he helped take 8 tails down. Why not him, unless he is already "destined" to be or is the next Raikage, or Cloud just like putting uncontrollable beast in 5 year old boys, and rebuilding their village, when there are clearly stronger to choose from. I think Killa was made the be the "next Raikages weapon". They are brother's, why not the older, stronger one if they are both related the KingK Raikage at the time when Killa B was chosen? It makes sense the next 8 tails jinjuriki, Killa B, was chosen for the next Raikage.
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we have a flashback of the first and second telling a young Hiruzen that he would be hokage long before then .. so who's to say what the appropriate age for a kage is .. just look at gaara.. he's been Kazekage for a while now and he's Naruto's age
We also have a flashback of Tobirama literally deciding between Hiruzen and Danzo at the time of his death based on Hiruzen's willingness to sacrifice his life for the sake of others.

I've said it before, retroactively, it's somewhat easy to see that the "flashback" of "young Hiruzen" being told he'd be Hokage is in fact a two part flashback. It shows Kid Hiruzen, then has Hashirama address him NOT TALKING ABOUT THE KAGE-SHIP, only telling him to follow the Will of Fire. THEN it has Tobirama, IN THE EXACT SAME POSE HE HAD IN DANZO'S FLASHBACK, NO LESS, tell Hiruzen he will be the Hokage. Clearly, the two lines of dialogue of the Senju brothers happened at different times.
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I think a young, kid Sarutobi could be told he's gonna be the next Hokage starting tomorrow, meaning that they were gonna start grooming him specifically for that title, but it wouldnt literally, publicly be his until he was older and ready, and they officially passed it.

I take the young flashback to mean that it was then that they decided, kinda like Sarutobi always hoped he could pass it to Orochu since Orochu was that age, and he would have if Orochu had the will of fire. Both the 1st and 2nd saw the genius, and potential in Sarutobi , like Sarutobi saw in Orochu, but they also saw the Will of Fire in Sarutobi and their decision was made already. Dint they tell Sarutobi something about grooming the next Hokage that he chose.
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Danzou was almost chosen, and everybody knows Danzou and Naruto have no interaction, and all higher ups would know Naruto still wanted Sasuke back home, where Danzou wanted him dead. But the fact that the jinjuriki and Danzou had no relation wasnt even a factor in any reason why Danzou shouldnt be Hokage. When dealing with Beast like 8 and 9 tails, given their past, only "special candidates" should even be considered. Too much power for just anyone, in my opinion. Kushina must have already been special which is why somebody saw if fit to put Kyuubi in her later. The 3rd Secret War of "stealing" secrets" was going on, maybe Konoha felt the safest place for Kyuubi was in someone? Hope Kishi comes up with something better than that

IF Kushina had "special chakra" from childhood, or any visible blood relation to the 1st Sage, she would be top candidate for the 9 tails. Naruto only got this far with Kyuubi because of his "special stamina/chakra". In the Cloud, the way 8 tails kept flipping out, im assuming that the only potential jinjuriki were those relatives of the KingK Raikage, which possibly carried some genetic abilities that made him and his offspring beast, like Raikage seems to be with his Buuji level chakra. If grown ass men cant control this shit, why would Killa B be so special at 5 years, other than the fact that he is Rai's little brother? Rai should have been the prime candidate for the next in line to control that beast, especially given the way he helped take 8 tails down. Why not him, unless he is already "destined" to be or is the next Raikage, or Cloud just like putting uncontrollable beast in 5 year old boys, and rebuilding their village, when there are clearly stronger to choose from. I think Killa was made the be the "next Raikages weapon". They are brother's, why not the older, stronger one if they are both related the KingK Raikage at the time when Killa B was chosen? It makes sense the next 8 tails jinjuriki, Killa B, was chosen for the next Raikage.
yu can't count Danzo for anything .. he had shisui's eye and I'm sure thats how he got the temp job
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It could be because the 3rd Raikage was kin to Bee, that's why Bee was chosen as the inheritor of the Hachibi. This could have been more than enough reason for Ei to strive to be Raikage, because he wanted to keep his bro in line. I think it just worked out coincidently as Ei's skill level was suitable for the Raikage position.

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Jiraiya was chosen because Sarutobi saw potential in him as the Hokage. That's why the Elders wanted him to stand in as Hokage; he was the best Konoha had.

Jiraiya recommended Tsunade because she has a connection to the 1st Hokage, which is always a plus, and was trained under Sarutobi, which added more brownie points. I don't think having a connection to the host had anything to do with it. Remember Jiraiya recommended her first, not the Elders.

To our knowledge, those kin to the Hokage, or serves as spouses, are chosen to be hosts. We don't know if the flip side is necessarily true. If the host already exists before a new Kage is chosen, I doubt they would replace the Kage with someone who is related to the host. Reason is because it isn't necessarily the case that family Kin to the host have an abundance of members that can claim to be suitable candidates.
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Yeah, that eye was persuasive. It wasn't like they wanted him to become Hokage, and his eye is the reason Root is so deadly. Because Danzo was a selfish prick. I know he wanted to do what was best for Konoha, but not with his way. It's all the byproduct of Jealousy and Greed. He was powerhungry. That's why he worked with Orochimaru through Root, for his own benefit.
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It could be because the 3rd Raikage was kin to Bee, that's why Bee was chosen as the inheritor of the Hachibi. This could have been more than enough reason for Ei to strive to be Raikage, because he wanted to keep his bro in line. I think it just worked out coincidently as Ei's skill level was suitable for the Raikage position.



Jiraiya was chosen because Sarutobi saw potential in him as the Hokage. That's why the Elders wanted him to stand in as Hokage; he was the best Konoha had.

Jiraiya recommended Tsunade because she has a connection to the 1st Hokage, which is always a plus, and was trained under Sarutobi, which added more brownie points. I don't think having a connection to the host had anything to do with it. Remember Jiraiya recommended her first, not the Elders.

To our knowledge, those kin to the Hokage, or serves as spouses, are chosen to be hosts. We don't know if the flip side is necessarily true. If the host already exists before a new Kage is chosen, I doubt they would replace the Kage with someone who is related to the host. Reason is because it isn't necessarily the case that family Kin to the host have an abundance of members that can claim to be suitable candidates.
ok if Bee is related ot the third then so is Ei which could easilly make a case that the kage line is a royal one .. like gaara and his father tsunade and the first bee and the third.. it seems to be a dynasty of the most powerful familly is where the kage is chosen
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yu can't count Danzo for anything .. he had shisui's eye and I'm sure thats how he got the temp job
That is how he got the job, but that was not my point. My point was out of everyone there, only Shika's dad had anything against Danzou being Hokage, and it only had to do with the type of person he was, not the fact that he had no relationship with Senju or any of the Kages, or the current jinjuriki. Danzou clearly stated that he didnt agree with ways of any of the previous Hokages and their teachings. Danzou was the complete opposite of every Hokage in every way, yet he was still even worthy of consideration with the higher ups, even if he didnt have himself nominated with that eye.
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Re: Naruto and "Granny" Tsunade

I have a very strong feeling that when kushina tells her story that she or minato will be linked to Dan or Tsunade
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Re: Naruto and "Granny" Tsunade

During Second Great Shinobi World War The Same ware Dan Died in (Not the third war when Minato is Grown) Jiraiya raised the three orphans(Nagato) for a little over 3 years. Years after that after the orphans were supposidly killed by Hanzo,he became a Jonin leader and had a team with Minato who was 10. The orphans weren't instantly famous so could have been the remaining 7 or so years of little Minto.The Tale of the Utterly Gutsy Shinobi was Jiraiya's first book, written while training the Ame Orphans and published after training the young Minato Is where the New Hokage minato got naruto name.Naruto's name after the Third Shinobi War. So it is Possible that the Hokage was a 19-23 year old. Probably the youngest Hokage ever. The ages match. Doesn't mean its the truth but no one should change the facts just because you don't want naruto to be Senju.
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^Except that that is based on the notion mentioned earlier that Tsunade met Dan right after her little brother died. Which is blatantly false. She was still at the age where she would have been in Sarutobi's squad when her little brother died, while the meeting where she met Dan, Sarutobi was Hokage, and his hair was starting to gray. Clearly, it had been at least 10 years. Not to mention that at that meeting, Tsunade looked exactly the same as she does now with the illusion that makes her look like she's in her mid-twenties. The times suggested don't work out in that situation, which is the ACTUAL ONE.
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