Previous 9 tails jinchuriki

Human Rasengan · 05-13-2010, 02:31 PM

Ok with all the things that have been going on as of late we have been given a few clues as to how the whole jincuhriki thing goes down

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/34044170/4

shows us that the biju can be sealed in objects and we know that they can be sealed in people.. but this also brings up .. why didn't Minato just use this to seal the fox in instead of his son?

Why was the Kyubi out of it's previous host in the first place?

Wasn't Madara behind the 9 tails attack 16 years ago?

IMHO I believe that Minato was the previous host somehow

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/34044170/2
we see the third Raikage used his son Bee to become the jinchuriki host

We know the Fourth Kazekage used Gaara to be the host

The only thing I don't get is how Madara got the Kyubi out of Minato to start his attack.. we do know that he has the jutsu for biju extraction since he has been collecting biju and st orig them in Gedo Mazo

Well what do you guys think?

The Special One · 05-13-2010, 02:39 PM

The Kyuubi was a beast closely linked to the Uchiha clan (it was the Bijuu they probably carried around for generations). There's nothing stating that Konoha had control of it until of recent events (16 years ago). Madara most likely used the Kyuubi to keep his clan high and mighty (he was the only one to be able to control it with such perfection, at least that's what the panels said).

Human Rasengan · 05-13-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

The Kyuubi was a beast closely linked to the Uchiha clan (it was the Bijuu they probably carried around for generations). There's nothing stating that Konoha had control of it until of recent events (16 years ago). Madara most likely used the Kyuubi to keep his clan high and mighty (he was the only one to be able to control it with such perfection, at least that's what the panels said).

I don't see how this is possible since

1. Hashirama Senju was the one who had the power to control all the biju and he was the one who divided them up amongst the 5 great nations.

2. If the Uchiha had the Kyubi.. how were they so easily put in check by the Senju.. remember the biju are like a nuclear deterrent.. if the Uchiha had it why not just threaten it's release and demand more right's or equal power with the Senju

ACt · 05-13-2010, 02:51 PM

Considering that when Bijuu leave the host, the host dies and the Kyuubi was sealed into Naruto by Minato when it was rampantly destroying Konoha, I would firmly deny your opinion that Minato was ever a host.

As you already brought this up in the Discussion, go there to see my theory of why there probably wasn't a previous Kyuubi host prior to Naruto.

The Special One · 05-13-2010, 03:01 PM

Well the Uchiha were with Konoha when Madara broke away. He apparently took the Kyuubi with him (it had to, otherwise it wouldn't have been used against him in the flashbacks). And since there's tablets in the secret room stating that once the Mangekyou is awakened, the power to control the Kyuubi becomes possible, hints that the Kyuubi must have been with the Uchiha for generations before coming into contact with Konoha.

I think it was with the Uchiha first then once Konoha was founded, Madara took it back and used it to revolt against the 1st. Somehow, Madara was still able to use the Kyuubi 16 years ago, while the public was made to believe that the Kyuubi was a natural current disaster (we know that not to be the case, but why would people believe that, if the Kyuubi was safety sealed at home).

There's a gray area here. Either Madara somehow kept it, or Konoha never had a host. I'm still trying to rationalize the Kyuubi being in Konoha's possession all of this time...

Human Rasengan · 05-13-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

Well the Uchiha were with Konoha when Madara broke away. He apparently took the Kyuubi with him (it had to, otherwise it wouldn't have been used against him in the flashbacks). And since there's tablets in the secret room stating that once the Mangekyou is awakened, the power to control the Kyuubi becomes possible, hints that the Kyuubi must have been with the Uchiha for generations before coming into contact with Konoha.

I think it was with the Uchiha first then once Konoha was founded, Madara took it back and used it to revolt against the 1st. Somehow, the Kyuubi Madara was still able to use the Kyuubi 16 years ago, while the public was made to believe that the Kyuubi was a natural current disaster (we know that not to be the case, but why would people believe that if the Kyuubi was safety sealed at home).

There's a gray area here. Either Madara somehow kept it, or Konoha never had a host. I'm still trying to rationalize the Kyuubi being in Konoha's possession all of this time...

If Madara had the Kyubi all that time why not hold on to it and then get the other biju to complete his moon's eye plan . why let it go to only have to capture it again later?

The Special One · 05-13-2010, 03:07 PM

Why even bother to destroy Konoha with the Kyuubi anyway? If he stole it from Konoha why didn't he just run with it, or something? "So imma steal it, but turn around and fight you with it?" Wouldn't it be safer to keep it in the jar? Either way it doesn't make sense. Don't know if Kishi will explain this, or not.

AOTKorby · 05-13-2010, 03:23 PM

Odds are, Hashirama kept the Kyuubi for Konoha, partially because both he (the Senju) and Madara (the Uchiha) could control it. He never put it into a Jinchuuriki because he and Madara couldn't USE it effectively in a Jinchuuriki. After he died, since they had no way to control the Kyuubi, no obvious candidate for being the Jinchuuriki, and no real desire to build up military power, the Kyuubi was never sealed into a jinchuuriki.

There's been absolutely no indication that there ever was a previous Kyuubi jinchuuriki, and there's been a fair amount of indication that there never was one.

markus601 · 05-13-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SenninKorby

Odds are, Hashirama kept the Kyuubi for Konoha, partially because both he (the Senju) and Madara (the Uchiha) could control it. He never put it into a Jinchuuriki because he and Madara couldn't USE it effectively in a Jinchuuriki. After he died, since they had no way to control the Kyuubi, no obvious candidate for being the Jinchuuriki, and no real desire to build up military power, the Kyuubi was never sealed into a jinchuuriki.

There's been absolutely no indication that there ever was a previous Kyuubi jinchuuriki, and there's been a fair amount of indication that there never was one.

this (IMO) is the most logical explanation for this topic.

SilverbladeVI · 05-13-2010, 03:51 PM

Kyuubi was kept top secret.

Like Area 51.

There were no previous hosts. If there were, then it would be before the ninja world was founded. To be honest here. That host would of been one bad ass motherfucker.

Maybe Kyuubi did had a previous host. Kishi has to do his part on that to really confirm it.

liondemon · 05-13-2010, 04:26 PM

If there were ever a Kyuubi host, it was probably the elder son of the 1st Sage, who seemed to want to be all powerful like daddy. I can definitely see him tracking down the Buuji, at least the strongest of them, after his father split the 10 tails. I doubt if anyone outside the 1st Sage's bloodline could contain something as powerful and destructive as the 9 tails. The Senju had strong bodies like the 1st Sage, and I imagine that it was the same genetics in the 1st Hokages chakra that allowed him to do wood, that allowed him power over a Buuji. Im also assuming that since Yamato made the statement about Naruto's own chakra being special because it had power over the 9 tails, Naruto may have unique chakra power over Buuji.

Inside Konoha, I dont really see a reason for them to have needed a jinjuriki. They had Hyuuga, Uchiha, and Senju. Those 3 clans alone, and their genetic potential could put up a match against any Buuji that any other nation could control and send their way. Im guessing Raikage or the 3rd Raikage got cocky once Killa B was old and strong enough to finally control the 8 tails and that is why Konoha was threatened with war and that's why Sarutobi gave into their demands, but until then, I doubt if Konoha really had any serious threat against other Buuji and a need for their own.

Plus, trying to put the 9 tails in somebody would be extremely dangerous for the village as seen by the 8 tails in the Cloud village in the past. Konoha has not had the type of rulers to take such risks and reduce a child to an ultimate weapon without a serious need, and that didnt seem to come about until Minato saw it as the only way to save Konoha and help his son and Konoha defeat the "guy in the mask" in the future.

Human Rasengan · 05-13-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by liondemon

If there were ever a Kyuubi host, it was probably the elder son of the 1st Sage, who seemed to want to be all powerful like daddy. I can definitely see him tracking down the Buuji, at least the strongest of them, after his father split the 10 tails. I doubt if anyone outside the 1st Sage's bloodline could contain something as powerful and destructive as the 9 tails. The Senju had strong bodies like the 1st Sage, and I imagine that it was the same genetics in the 1st Hokages chakra that allowed him to do wood, that allowed him power over a Buuji. Im also assuming that since Yamato made the statement about Naruto's own chakra being special because it had power over the 9 tails, Naruto may have unique chakra power over Buuji.

Inside Konoha, I dont really see a reason for them to have needed a jinjuriki. They had Hyuuga, Uchiha, and Senju. Those 3 clans alone, and their genetic potential could put up a match against any Buuji that any other nation could control and send their way. Im guessing Raikage or the 3rd Raikage got cocky once Killa B was old and strong enough to finally control the 8 tails and that is why Konoha was threatened with war and that's why Sarutobi gave into their demands, but until then, I doubt if Konoha really had any serious threat against other Buuji and a need for their own.

Plus, trying to put the 9 tails in somebody would be extremely dangerous for the village as seen by the 8 tails in the Cloud village in the past. Konoha has not had the type of rulers to take such risks and reduce a child to an ultimate weapon without a serious need, and that didnt seem to come about until Minato saw it as the only way to save Konoha and help his son and Konoha defeat the "guy in the mask" in the future.

Ok yea the son of the RS could have been a host .. but the fact remains that was generations before Hashirama.. that being said after he passed away and there was no-one powerful enough to control the 9 tails.. (as currently it is unknown whether or not Tobirama could use the necklace and control the Fox) it must have been placed in a sealing pot or a jinchuriki because if it had been allowed to roam free and was an "act of nature" then any other village with strong enough shinobi could come along and collect it just like the third Raikage and the Kuomo nin did to the 8 tails when it got loose.

If the Uchiha could tame it then that means they would have had access to it .. if they had access to it then Madara would have just taken it from whatever Uchiha had it in their possession as he was the most powerful.. id he could have had it back then he wouldn't need Itachi to get revenge on the clan.

That means that the Senju had the fox in some manner whether in a sealing pot or better yet a jinchuriki as it is the traditional form of containing a biju. The need for Konoha to have a Jinchuriki biju is to cement the shinobi might of the Leaf village . which means we have the strongest biju and the two most powerful clans of ninja ever the Uchiha and the Senju so you better not mess with us.

Kuomo wanted to get their hands on the Byakugan because it was a powerful kekaigenkai and it was a far better calculated risk than attempting to take away a biju that would have been heavily guarded or been able to destroy any ninja to come take it.. as seen in the latest issue it'd take a group of powerfl shinobi to take down a biju and a stealth mission of that caliber wouldn't go unnoticed by the leaf shinobi.. so the Lighting nin took a chance at getting what they could from the leaf.

Cap'n · 05-14-2010, 12:22 AM

I doubt the kyuubi had a host before.

If it did then the kyuubi would have already had to have submitted to previous person. Why doesn't it just submit to Naruto? It doesn't like being contained very well at all.

If it couldn't be controlled, then a ton of people would be dead, jinchurikis and villagers, and the kyuubi would be seen much to often to be considered a "natural disaster".

If Madara had the kyuubi before, he didn't keep it for his "Moon's Eye Plan" because either:

A) Tobi isn't Madara or
B) Moon's Eye Plan isn't really his final plan

Human Rasengan · 05-14-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Cap'n

I doubt the kyuubi had a host before.

If it did then the kyuubi would have already had to have submitted to previous person. Why doesn't it just submit to Naruto? It doesn't like being contained very well at all.

If it couldn't be controlled, then a ton of people would be dead, jinchurikis and villagers, and the kyuubi would be seen much to often to be considered a "natural disaster".

If Madara had the kyuubi before, he didn't keep it for his "Moon's Eye Plan" because either:

A) Tobi isn't Madara or
B) Moon's Eye Plan isn't really his final plan

No guarantee that the Kyubbi would have submitted to anyone.. we've been shown the Shukaku and the Hachibi running ammuck..just because you like your current boss doesn't mean you'll get along with the next

If it was being controlled all this tie before Naruto came along then who was controlling it.. if t was seen as a natural disaster then it was roaming free.. why is this?Surely if the other Villages could keep their jinchuriki under control then surely Konoha and the mighty Senju and Uchiha could do the same

Tobi is Madara and Madara's spirit is in a Zetsu clone as shown by this battle against Torune and the statement by Itachi of him being a shell of his former self and the relationship and trust shown by Madara and Zetsu compared to the rest o Akatsuki

The moon's Eye plan is a ruse to spook the nations into putting the Hachibi and Kyubbi in one spot to make them easier to capture

Cap'n · 05-14-2010, 12:39 AM

But still, if someone hadn't controlled the kyuubi before than it either sat in one of those special sealing jars or it would rip apart the previous jinks and attack the village.

Either way it looks bad for there being previous jinks.

05-13-2010, 02:31 PM	#1
Human Rasengan S-Ranked Shinobi Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: inside your mom Posts: 3,241 Thanks: 2,791 Thanked 1,126 Times in 772 Posts	Previous 9 tails jinchuriki Ok with all the things that have been going on as of late we have been given a few clues as to how the whole jincuhriki thing goes down http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/34044170/4 shows us that the biju can be sealed in objects and we know that they can be sealed in people.. but this also brings up .. why didn't Minato just use this to seal the fox in instead of his son? Why was the Kyubi out of it's previous host in the first place? Wasn't Madara behind the 9 tails attack 16 years ago? IMHO I believe that Minato was the previous host somehow http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/34044170/2 we see the third Raikage used his son Bee to become the jinchuriki host We know the Fourth Kazekage used Gaara to be the host The only thing I don't get is how Madara got the Kyubi out of Minato to start his attack.. we do know that he has the jutsu for biju extraction since he has been collecting biju and st orig them in Gedo Mazo Well what do you guys think? __________________ for those of you who don't understand.. I'm coming from an illogical perspective so your logic won't fit my argument .. it'll only give you a headache.. remember ..belief doesn't require a co-signer There Is A Fine Line Between Genius And Insanity , I Have Erased This Line ! If I were you I'd hate me too.. I am the HUMAN RASENGAN!!! The power of despair is great in you. [CENTER] http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-462/14/ http://www.fandom.com/forums/showpos...54&postcount=5 http://www.fandom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53431 http://www.fandom.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55960 Madara's mask theme song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3882sGkrNA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlzx4...&feature=share http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3qkz4WfOto LOL I'M DYING BACK HERE

05-13-2010, 02:39 PM	#2
The Special One Kage Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oakpark, Michigan Age: 22 Posts: 5,058 Thanks: 892 Thanked 4,458 Times in 1,553 Posts	Re: Previous 9 tails jinchuriki The Kyuubi was a beast closely linked to the Uchiha clan (it was the Bijuu they probably carried around for generations). There's nothing stating that Konoha had control of it until of recent events (16 years ago). Madara most likely used the Kyuubi to keep his clan high and mighty (he was the only one to be able to control it with such perfection, at least that's what the panels said). __________________ The Specialist, forever http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=24201 ^My first thread.lol

05-13-2010, 02:51 PM	#4
ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,286 Thanks: 5,339 Thanked 18,823 Times in 4,891 Posts	Re: Previous 9 tails jinchuriki Considering that when Bijuu leave the host, the host dies and the Kyuubi was sealed into Naruto by Minato when it was rampantly destroying Konoha, I would firmly deny your opinion that Minato was ever a host. As you already brought this up in the Discussion, go there to see my theory of why there probably wasn't a previous Kyuubi host prior to Naruto.

05-13-2010, 03:01 PM	#5
The Special One Kage Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oakpark, Michigan Age: 22 Posts: 5,058 Thanks: 892 Thanked 4,458 Times in 1,553 Posts	Re: Previous 9 tails jinchuriki Well the Uchiha were with Konoha when Madara broke away. He apparently took the Kyuubi with him (it had to, otherwise it wouldn't have been used against him in the flashbacks). And since there's tablets in the secret room stating that once the Mangekyou is awakened, the power to control the Kyuubi becomes possible, hints that the Kyuubi must have been with the Uchiha for generations before coming into contact with Konoha. I think it was with the Uchiha first then once Konoha was founded, Madara took it back and used it to revolt against the 1st. Somehow, Madara was still able to use the Kyuubi 16 years ago, while the public was made to believe that the Kyuubi was a natural current disaster (we know that not to be the case, but why would people believe that, if the Kyuubi was safety sealed at home). There's a gray area here. Either Madara somehow kept it, or Konoha never had a host. I'm still trying to rationalize the Kyuubi being in Konoha's possession all of this time... __________________ The Specialist, forever http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=24201 ^My first thread.lol Last edited by The Special One; 05-13-2010 at 03:03 PM.

05-13-2010, 03:07 PM	#7
The Special One Kage Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oakpark, Michigan Age: 22 Posts: 5,058 Thanks: 892 Thanked 4,458 Times in 1,553 Posts	Re: Previous 9 tails jinchuriki Why even bother to destroy Konoha with the Kyuubi anyway? If he stole it from Konoha why didn't he just run with it, or something? "So imma steal it, but turn around and fight you with it?" Wouldn't it be safer to keep it in the jar? Either way it doesn't make sense. Don't know if Kishi will explain this, or not. __________________ The Specialist, forever http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=24201 ^My first thread.lol

05-13-2010, 03:51 PM	#10
SilverbladeVI Missing-Nin Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 1,231 Thanks: 3,202 Thanked 3,298 Times in 1,116 Posts	Re: Previous 9 tails jinchuriki Kyuubi was kept top secret. Like Area 51. There were no previous hosts. If there were, then it would be before the ninja world was founded. To be honest here. That host would of been one bad ass motherfucker. Maybe Kyuubi did had a previous host. Kishi has to do his part on that to really confirm it.

05-14-2010, 12:22 AM	#13
Cap'n Simple Jack Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Texas Age: 21 Posts: 45 Thanks: 12 Thanked 35 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Previous 9 tails jinchuriki I doubt the kyuubi had a host before. If it did then the kyuubi would have already had to have submitted to previous person. Why doesn't it just submit to Naruto? It doesn't like being contained very well at all. If it couldn't be controlled, then a ton of people would be dead, jinchurikis and villagers, and the kyuubi would be seen much to often to be considered a "natural disaster". If Madara had the kyuubi before, he didn't keep it for his "Moon's Eye Plan" because either: A) Tobi isn't Madara or B) Moon's Eye Plan isn't really his final plan

05-14-2010, 12:39 AM	#15
Cap'n Simple Jack Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Texas Age: 21 Posts: 45 Thanks: 12 Thanked 35 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Previous 9 tails jinchuriki But still, if someone hadn't controlled the kyuubi before than it either sat in one of those special sealing jars or it would rip apart the previous jinks and attack the village. Either way it looks bad for there being previous jinks.

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