Previous 9 tails jinchuriki - Page 2

Human Rasengan · 05-14-2010, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cap'n

But still, if someone hadn't controlled the kyuubi before than it either sat in one of those special sealing jars or it would rip apart the previous jinks and attack the village.

Either way it looks bad for there being previous jinks.

Not if that host was Minato.. why do you think the Kyuubi hates him so much.. not only was he able to control him but he sealed him in his son making him subservient to the Hokage once again..

Hear me out.. We know that Madara has the jutsu at his disposal to rip biju from their hosts.. check

We know that the Three tails biju was roaming free without a host . check

We know that Madara or as Kissame referred to him the Mizukage had a hand through Akatsuki in controlling the Third third/Fourth Mizukage (can't remember).. check

We know that the Three tails somehow ended up out of it's host

so why wouldn't it be possible for Madara to take the Kyuubi out of it's host Minato..it roam free it attack the village after being under Madara's Sharingan.. Minato unable to perform the sealing jutsu on himself and no other strong enough shinobi in the battle to assist him in the matter in dire circumstances.. sealed the fox in his son using Reaper Death Seal!

stubborn_d0nkey · 05-14-2010, 04:06 AM

I have some thoughts and ideas about the matter discussed here that actually aren't only for one side, but I'll try to sort them in the best way.

There are five great nations, so the bijuu can't be distributed evenly, especially considering that the Shodai gave one bijuu to a sixth village, it makes it even harder.

Dividing 9 bijuus between 6 villages mean that at least 3 had to get only one. Konoha, being the "peacemaker" would have easily been considered greedy and similar stuff if they gave themselves 2. So they left themselves with one. What is the strongest? the kyuubi. So konoha leaving the kyuubi would have made sense imo (to keep its strength, and other villages satisfied).

Now about Shodai's "control" of the bijuu. I doubt he had real "control". We have seen, via Yamato that his abilities can suppress bijuu's. That is IMO the extent of his powers. Madara, on the other hand had "full" control over a bijuu (at least the kyuubi, I don't wanna start a "can uchiha control only the kyuubi" debate). He could make them due what he wanted. Maybe the first could overpower Madara's control, but as using a bijuu in battle goes, IMO what he could probably due was "tell"/make the bijuu not attack a certain area (focus it on his enemies).

I theorize then, that Shodai "took over" the kyuubi during, or at least after, his battle with Madara. I go further to say that he would keep the bijuu's subdued 24/7 in a similar shape/manner to http://mangastream.com/read/fullmetal_alchemist/152/35 using his wood element. So, before his death he just had the kyuubi like that. Probably kept somewhere not exactly near the village,but close enough. So when he died the kyuubi was freed. Even if it was not exactly like this, I believe that, if Konoha had the kyuubi while he was alive, after his death they "lost" it.

Ok, maybe the above part isn't true, but concerning the "new" seal we have seen, remember the kyuubi is special. Even in comparison with the 8 tails.
That seal was also probably hard to accomplish, maybe it even required more than 1 shinobi. Anyways, you probably had to wear out the bijuu to some degree. These could be possibly be some of the reason why Minato prefered DG, but the deciding factor was probably that he realized somebody was behind the attack.

Oro was a wiz at jutsu, whatever people say. Maybe not at knowing how to use jutsu, but in that case at least the limitations and the possibilities of jutsus. So his reaction when finding out that the jutsu used to seal the kyuubi was being used on him
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/124/04/ (and around)
indicates the magnitude of the feat that sealing the kyuubi.

This also makes me believe that the "new" sealing jutsu would have been significantly more difficult to pull off on the kyuubi, if not (close to) practically impossible.

Darn, I had some more things to write but I forgot while writing this. I'll edit or post again (depending if it will be a double post) when I remember.

poolangya · 05-14-2010, 08:16 AM

kushina was the previous kyubi host.

Law&Order · 05-14-2010, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by poolangya

kushina was the previous kyubi host.

Thinking outside of the box and I like it. That would be pretty cool, the wife of a Hokage as a host. Maybe Madara pushed her to the point that she went 9 tails and couldn't be controlled forcing the 4th to sacrifice both his wife and his own life to subdue the Fox and seal it inside of his son. Now that is some drama.

Either way I doubt that Madara had control of the 9 tails the last time it attacked Konoha, more than likely he just set it loose. That would be a pretty big loss to have control of the 9 tails and then lose it to the Leaf and I think Madara is smarter than that.

Human Rasengan · 05-14-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Law&Order

Thinking outside of the box and I like it. That would be pretty cool, the wife of a Hokage as a host. Maybe Madara pushed her to the point that she went 9 tails and couldn't be controlled forcing the 4th to sacrifice both his wife and his own life to subdue the Fox and seal it inside of his son. Now that is some drama.

Either way I doubt that Madara had control of the 9 tails the last time it attacked Konoha, more than likely he just set it loose. That would be a pretty big loss to have control of the 9 tails and then lose it to the Leaf and I think Madara is smarter than that.

Kushina being the host is not far fetched seeing as how Motoi said that the SPOUSES and CLOSE BLOOD RELATIVES were chosen for jinchuriki

mewmew · 05-14-2010, 11:42 PM

what if madara always had the kyuubi as a sign of trust from hashirama and that's why everyone was afraid of him in the first place was because he was the one who handles the kyuubi for konoha?

and tobi was only lying bout the senju not trusting the uchiha enough because he wants sasuke to rage over it...

the kushina theory is feasible and that would explain why kushina's gone and minato was forced to seal the kyuubi immediately on the newly born naruto...

Human Rasengan · 05-15-2010, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mewmew

what if madara always had the kyuubi as a sign of trust from hashirama and that's why everyone was afraid of him in the first place was because he was the one who handles the kyuubi for konoha?

and tobi was only lying bout the senju not trusting the uchiha enough because he wants sasuke to rage over it...

the kushina theory is feasible and that would explain why kushina's gone and minato was forced to seal the kyuubi immediately on the newly born naruto...

He did have the fox when he went into battle with the first but the Uchiha clan members would have been more afraid of him and not betray him http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/08/

stubborn_d0nkey · 05-15-2010, 05:28 AM

The Kushina theory isn't really feasible. There are many issues with it. The most important one being, even though she was the Hokage's wife she wasn't a leaf nin. I doubt the elders would allow it and many influential Konoha nin as well. Also, how did it get out of Kushina? I doubt that could be explained, in a satisfying manner. Do you think Madara could extract it from her? (By himself/in such a short period of time (doubt it could have been long)). If it had gone on a rampage, then how come Madara got it in such a short period of time afterwards? Even if it wasn't Madara and really a "natural disaster" I doubt people would describe it like that if it just shortly got out of its jink, regardless if it was controlled or not.

Human Rasengan · 05-15-2010, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by stubborn_d0nkey

The Kushina theory isn't really feasible. There are many issues with it. The most important one being, even though she was the Hokage's wife she wasn't a leaf nin. I doubt the elders would allow it and many influential Konoha nin as well. Also, how did it get out of Kushina? I doubt that could be explained, in a satisfying manner. Do you think Madara could extract it from her? (By himself/in such a short period of time (doubt it could have been long)). If it had gone on a rampage, then how come Madara got it in such a short period of time afterwards? Even if it wasn't Madara and really a "natural disaster" I doubt people would describe it like that if it just shortly got out of its jink, regardless if it was controlled or not.

THe question is that Motoi said that it was customary of the 5 great natiosn to seal biju.. that means that there must have been a jink before Naruto .. I just wonder who it was

xDD · 05-15-2010, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Human Rasengan

Ok with all the things that have been going on as of late we have been given a few clues as to how the whole jincuhriki thing goes down

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/34044170/4

shows us that the biju can be sealed in objects and we know that they can be sealed in people.. but this also brings up .. why didn't Minato just use this to seal the fox in instead of his son?

Why was the Kyubi out of it's previous host in the first place?

Wasn't Madara behind the 9 tails attack 16 years ago?

IMHO I believe that Minato was the previous host somehow

http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/34044170/2
we see the third Raikage used his son Bee to become the jinchuriki host

We know the Fourth Kazekage used Gaara to be the host

The only thing I don't get is how Madara got the Kyubi out of Minato to start his attack.. we do know that he has the jutsu for biju extraction since he has been collecting biju and st orig them in Gedo Mazo

Well what do you guys think?

Don't know if anyone answered that, but the reason Minato sealed the fox in Naruto was so he could have an *extraordinary* power to fight Madara, he states it here : http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/08/

BAYSYCK · 05-15-2010, 02:38 PM

manga stated: minato sealed the kyuubi in naruto because he believed naruto could use it to defeat madara

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/08/

people need to read the manga before they post a thread

freedom07 · 05-15-2010, 02:59 PM

^ its both
he said you cant beat madara without extrordinary power

and
naruto could find a way to end this hatrid

freedom07 · 05-15-2010, 03:00 PM

the fox clearly never had a jinchuriki otherwise i wouldnt have had its body when it attacked konoha

if it did then it would have been pure chakra spirit it wouldnt have been anything physical

i dont understand are you trying to say kushina had the fox within her whilst carrying naruto?!!? and then died shortly after narutos birth coz the fox got loose?

thats so stupid

AOTKorby · 05-15-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Human Rasengan

THe question is that Motoi said that it was customary of the 5 great natiosn to seal biju.. that means that there must have been a jink before Naruto .. I just wonder who it was

No. No it doesn't. One, your facts are off, as Motoi said that it was "common." That means that it certainly wasn't always the case. There were clearly times where the Jinks were made even though they lacked a relation to the Kage. Two, those two statements have NO CORRELATION. There's no reason that Konoha really WOULD have made a Kyuubi Jink before Naruto. Hashirama could utilize it best outside of a Jink, and after that, NO ONE could control it. Plus, Konoha has never been a strong proponent of military might. They wouldn't have made a Kyuubi Jink just to have a Jink to use.

KillerNN · 05-15-2010, 11:21 PM

I don't remember anywhere in the manga saying anything at all about Kyuubi having a host.
Sand had the One Tail in a sealed jar, and Cloud did too.They are the only villages noted to have a PAST with the bijuu/host situation. [Not counting the recent Jinchurikis that were captured by Akatsuki.]

05-14-2010, 08:16 AM	#18
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BAYSYCK Genin Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 170 Thanks: 105 Thanked 27 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Previous 9 tails jinchuriki manga stated: minato sealed the kyuubi in naruto because he believed naruto could use it to defeat madara http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/440/08/ people need to read the manga before they post a thread

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freedom07 SASUKE'S TRUE #1 FAN!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SASUKE Age: 25 Posts: 2,113 Thanks: 160 Thanked 733 Times in 390 Posts	Re: Previous 9 tails jinchuriki the fox clearly never had a jinchuriki otherwise i wouldnt have had its body when it attacked konoha if it did then it would have been pure chakra spirit it wouldnt have been anything physical i dont understand are you trying to say kushina had the fox within her whilst carrying naruto?!!? and then died shortly after narutos birth coz the fox got loose? thats so stupid Last edited by freedom07; 05-15-2010 at 03:03 PM.

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KillerNN Λυρικής Σκέψεις Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Vagabond Posts: 2,097 Thanks: 3,614 Thanked 4,322 Times in 1,976 Posts	Re: Previous 9 tails jinchuriki I don't remember anywhere in the manga saying anything at all about Kyuubi having a host. Sand had the One Tail in a sealed jar, and Cloud did too.They are the only villages noted to have a PAST with the bijuu/host situation. [Not counting the recent Jinchurikis that were captured by Akatsuki.] __________________ The Cap'n

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