kael03

Read again, doesn't say it lasts for up to 3 years. Just says he'll take on Naruto for training for 3 years.

Again, read what you're linking. Jiraya clearly states that the switch can only be made every three years. Middle of the page, left panel as Jiraya sits "Since he can't use his 'immortality jutsu' more than once within three years of each use, he can't transfer to a new body"

That one I can't explain. But Kishi's shown a tendency to do whatever he pleases for the sake of advancing the story and not explaining what the hell happened. Case in point, giving Orochimaru the use of his arms after he made the switch when he lost the use of them by having his soul's arms severed during the fight with the third. There was also the diseases that Itachi and Kimmimaro had. Not to mention what happened to Yagura that allowed the 3 tailed beast to be freed.

Emo Was Sasuke

Naruto is a full blown Toad Sage. Its just that he's really young. If there were alot of sages in the Narutoverse I'd be more skeptical of Naruto's sagehood. To me its like being a Black Belt. There are degrees to it and the reason for that is to give the expert something to aspire to and a reason to keep on learning and improving. Naruto should continue to study with the toads and learn new stuff but there is no doubt that he's a Toad Sage.

In the Narutoverse, a sage is anyone who practices senjutsu, which is the ability to gather nature chakra and then blend it with your own natural chakra. Out of the three sages known only 2 perfected Sage Mode. Jiraiya was never able to perfect SM and partially transformed each time he went into it. In fact he needed Shima and Fukasaku to gather the nature chakra necessary for him to maintain SM. Naruto perfected SM using Shadow Clones to gather nature chakra and we don't know how the Rikudo Sage perfected his version of SM.

Human Rasengan

Seeing as to how he gained a sage like aura when he took on the kyuubi chakra I think it's safe to say that he is Senju because it was show that he had the "BODY" of the sage which is what the younger son had which is where the Senju descended from

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Rapidd

ok unless every clan started inbreeding at some point....dude everyone is part senju over the years
just the way things go
if not we can argue itachi is sasukes brother-cousin-uncle

meaning sasuke can be as much senju as naruto over the years just the paths they took opened up diff avenues of powers

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Human Rasengan

that's what 'm saying that at some point since the sage is the father of all jutsu that there are Senju everywhere.. the Senju are only those who inherited the body of the son and the Uchiha inherited the eyes.. now where the Byakugan comes in I have no clue but I would lean to them coming from the elder son and then mellowing out on the hate creed and entering a new eye state

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liondemon

Byakugan is the purest, and most genetically dominant dojutsu. The elder son wasnt given a "dark dojutsu", his darkness was a personal thing that he passed in his family, that eventually brought about the Juubi, recessive genetic imprint mixed in his genetics that was Sharingan. The Sharingan is what has been said to come from the elder son's family. This all happened over generations. Where there was 1 dojutsu, now there are 2. The elder brother's pure dojutsu that Sharingan evolved from should still be out there. Byakugan

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Human Rasengan

ok that would let kakashi be right .. the byakugan was the original dojutsu and then thru the anger and corruption the juubi imprint pickd up on the hate and corrupted some of the byuakugan and made the eye turn red with hate

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The Special One

Based on what we know: At the most, he's just someone carrying the same will of fire to that of the 1st Hokage. Everyone besides the Hyuuga and the Uchiha are in some part related to the Senju. The Senju integrated, that's why we don't see them anymore.

Basically, Naruto isn't any more special that Konohamaru; genetically anyway. So I doubt Naruto's more than 1/16th Senju. Basically, there's nothing genetically distinguishing him from the rest of the village. Only the 1st was able to control the Bijuu's chakra, the other Senju couldn't. Unless Kishi introduces something that contradicts what's already established in two weeks, this is what I see.

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Human Rasengan

I wasn't sayin he was a purebred

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liondemon

Only the 1st and 2nd seemed to stand out with Senju, like only Madara and his brother stood out in their clan. Naruto may just be where that strong Senju gene pooped up again. It's not as strong and unique as the 1st Hokage, but more like the 2nd Hokage, just with wind instead of water.

TSO- we may have no evidence, but Naruto is likely "more Senju special" than Konohamaru and all others in Konoha, even if they are all 1/16 Senju. If Naruto is Senju, he will likely be directly related to the 1st or 2nd, where Konohamaru and others that may be Senju by blood to the aunts, uncles, or cousins of the 1st and 2nd Hokage, their mother and/or father carrying the strongest Senju gene in them, so only they pass that eliteness on. All Senju and Uchiha are all related to one one another, but some likely carry stronger genes than others like Madara and his brother, and the 1st and 2nd, recessive as they may be. Even Hyuuga seem to think that the members and offspring of the "Main Family" carries a stronger gene than other Hyuuga's which is evident in Neji, his father being an offspring of the Main Family. Naruto is naturally stronger and more capable than anyone in Konoha. This may be all because of Kushina and possibly Kyuubi too before birth, but If Naruto is revealed to be Senju, I doubt it will be just be any regular Senju.

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Human Rasengan

yea it's like payton and eli manning .. they have a brother that wasn't as gifted in football as they were and somewhere down the line one of his kids ended up being a football legend

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Emo Was Sasuke

Its been heavily implied that the families with strong dojutsu keep their bloodlines strong by...keeping things in the family. The Senju haven't demonstrated that they have a strong kekkai genkai or even just a family specialty that's worth protecting through selective breeding. The one thing they have going for them is the Sage's "body" and its clear that its not something that every Senju gets. The Sage's "body" is prolly just as recessive as the Rinnegan. I wish there was some sort of explaination for why Nagato had it. *sigh* Maybe one day.

Narutologist

It would appear that kishi's ambiguity when describing R Sennin and Toad Sage has some of us reaching for answers here. Explain to me how being a toad sage and a possible reincarnation of RS=senju or a decendent of senju. For that to be minato would have to have been senju since kushina was originally from another country/village. There is nothing in the manga that tells us minato was senju....absolutely nothing. Manga or not genectics has to play a roll in your theories...

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HR has pulled several theories out of his ass with little to nothing to back them up. Then claims we aren't as smart as him because we want evidence to back up his lack of logic.

Supposedly, the RS's 2 sons, 1 who inherited his "eyes" and 1 who inherited his "body", were the ancestors of the Uchiha and Senju clans. We know of 1 Senju, Tsunade, and there's no proof that she has any relatives after her brother was killed.

Because there's absolutely nothing to tie Minato to the senju clan (whose surname is Namikaze and he's only 3 generations removed from the 1st and 2nd), HR has decided that Kushina has to be Naruto's link to the Senju. Completely ignoring the fact that she was from a different country, has a completely different surname (again, like Minato, she's only 3 generations removed from the 1st and 2nd).

We've mentioned this before. In another of this moron's threads, I pointed out how the ages don't match up to Tsunade being Naruto's grandmother as his whole theory was based on a grandparent relationship with Tsunade through first Minato, then through Kushina. Tsunade would've been around 12-13 when Minato was born, as she was 38 when he died and Naruto was born and we're under the impression that Minato was in his mid-20s when he died.

Sage of

We've mentioned this before. In another of this moron's threads, I pointed out how the ages don't match up to Tsunade being Naruto's grandmother as his whole theory was based on a grandparent relationship with Tsunade through first Minato, then through Kushina. Tsunade would've been around 12-13 when Minato was born, as she was 38 when he died and Naruto was born and we're under the impression that Minato was in his mid-20s when he died.[/QUOTE]

During Second Great Shinobi World War The Same ware Dan Died in (Not the third war when Minato is Grown) Jiraiya raised the three orphans(Nagato) for a little over 3 years. Years after that after the orphans were supposidly killed by Hanzo,he became a Jonin leader and had a team with Minato who was 10. The orphans weren't instantly famous so could have been the remaining 7 or so years of little Minto.The Tale of the Utterly Gutsy Shinobi was Jiraiya's first book, written while training the Ame Orphans and published after training the young Minato Is where the New Hokage minato got naruto name.Naruto's name after the Third Shinobi War. So it is Possible that the Hokage was a 19-23 year old. Probably the youngest Hokage ever. The ages match. Doesn't mean its the truth but no one should change the facts just because you don't want naruto to be Senju.

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