Abortion - Page 8

DarkAztek · 08-15-2005, 05:20 PM

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Very true, from a POV who thinks that sex should be holy, and should only be done if they want a kid. I agree with that. I myself as a christian don't believe in sex for pleasure.

And that's your point of view. A huge portion of the world disagrees with you. Must we all conform to your idea?

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They are being responsible. But condoms are only 97% effective.

Then use spermacide lubricated ones. Additionally, use the morning after pill. Don't ejaculate in the girl as well. Oopes, the percentage just went up so close to 100% it is negligible.

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No matter if there are electronic pulses or not, it will become a living thing. It's the exact same thing as someone crushing an egg before it become a baby chick. I believe that even if it doesn't have electronic pulses, it IS still a baby, and it should still have a chance at life

And what if it is going to be born with a crippling disease that will end up killing it in less than a year?

And I hate to repeat myself from much earlier in this thread... But so is semen and eggs. A girl menstruating is a possibility of life. Is it a terrible crime to be in the post menstrual cycle? Or what about male masturbation? Any semen lost is a chance of life that is denied.

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All living things deserve a chance at live. Even with a diagnosis like that.

Then allow me to give you another example. The child is going to be severely mentally retarded. In the highest degree of mental retardation, the baby will not (nor CAN it ever) live longer than a week.

If I have a vasectomy and the doctors are sure that I'm sterile... Yet somehow I still manage to impregnate my partner... And she and I are both right out of college with barely enough money to feed ourselves... And desire that if we are to have a baby, we want to raise it... But we both financially and emotionally cannot at the moment... Who are you to say we MUST have it? Why MUST we have it?

KageSenin, I'm ignoring your parroting of Toshi until you take your words out of a huge single paragraph.

Peregrin · 08-16-2005, 04:09 AM

Ah. So true. what about the eggs you eat? They're the eggs that failed to hatch. Just like how girls lose eggs in the menstrual cycle. You can't call a nonliving thing living just because of potential! It's like calling potential energy and kinetic energy identical!

YoshiToshi · 08-16-2005, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkAztek

If I have a vasectomy and the doctors are sure that I'm sterile... Yet somehow I still manage to impregnate my partner... And she and I are both right out of college with barely enough money to feed ourselves... And desire that if we are to have a baby, we want to raise it... But we both financially and emotionally cannot at the moment... Who are you to say we MUST have it? Why MUST we have it?

It deserves a chance at life. And besides, you don't need to keep it. Have it and let it live a life that it deserved to have. If you cannot financially support it, then you should put it up at a adoption center, and give your child a chance to live a good life, with people who can support it, to let it grow up.

Peregrin · 08-17-2005, 01:29 AM

Yes, let's all put eggs up for adoption! Great idea - too bad the baby has to be born by the original mother who may not be able to put up with being pregnant.

DarkAztek · 08-17-2005, 04:49 PM

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It deserves a chance at life. And besides, you don't need to keep it. Have it and let it live a life that it deserved to have. If you cannot financially support it, then you should put it up at a adoption center, and give your child a chance to live a good life, with people who can support it, to let it grow up.

Why must I have it? I took every single measure I possibly could to avoid pregnancy because I cannot raise a child. Why must my wife submit to the pain and loss of having to give up a child.

Those of you who just shout "Adoption! Adoption!" ...You've never HAD a child, have you? You don't seem to realize that it is incredibly painful and awful for about 6 months or so... And then there is the birthing itself... And then there's the fact that having had a baby in you for so long and then giving birth to it, you grow ATTACHED to it. You love it. But it's a different story when you find out when the fetus is only a few weeks old.

I also notice, Toshi, you couldn't reply to the rest of my previous post. Please do.

And Peregrin made an excellent point.

Tom · 08-18-2005, 06:08 AM

Abortion simply needs to be the choice of the mother, the carrier, the owner of that being inhabitating her body. If she doesn't want it, why will you force her to have it.

Tsyukomi · 08-18-2005, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Peregrin

Do you think abortion should be legal? It's become a large debate recently, so I wanted to see what all of your opinions are. I personally am for it.

Peregrin, the topic on whether or not abortion should be legal is relatively not as large of an debate as you think, and there has been debate about this topic for quite some time now!

My opinion on Abortion is that it is simply wrong!

If anyone believes that it is ok to murder someone, then sure abortion is ok! So in my case I am against abortion.

Probably the only time where a decision about abortion is hard, is when it comes down to whether or not the mom's life depends on it! But with the technology that the world have today, it is not much of an serious issue that would occur often, if any now!

Overall, if you seriously think about it! Why would anyone want to get pregnant in the first place just to go through the trouble of having an abortion? I seriously doubt any woman is dumb enough to get pregnant for fun on purpose just so they can have the "thrill" of having some doctor putting them to sleep and stick some tools up their vagina and kill a baby!That sounds kinda bizarre doesn't it? If it's the sex they want... there are many form of birth-controls out there! People should just be more smart and think before they do things! There are so many advertisements for all sorts of birth-control, people should have no excuse! On top of that... if it was me... I would rather spend a few bucks on a condom then a few hundred dollars each time for someone to have an abortion!... Doesn't that sound logical?

Tom · 08-18-2005, 06:10 AM

Oh come on, the thing is a damn egg in a females body that they put a needle in. It's not like you let it develop and then kill.

Tsyukomi · 08-18-2005, 06:15 AM

you think a woman will know she is pregnant right away? I'm sure it would take at least a month if not two before a woman would know if she is pregnant, and by that time cells are already starting to form!

lapinky · 08-18-2005, 06:45 AM

What if the woman was raped and became pregnant?She might abort it cause the baby brings the terror she experienced back then..

Tsyukomi · 08-18-2005, 06:51 AM

ahh good question,

Probably up to the gurl then....

but she should probably have to go through some counciling and probably need to seriously think about the choice that she makes!

whether to not abort and give up the child for adoption, or I guess simply just abort!

I think if I was a gurl and got raped... wow I would be SCAR'D for the rest of my life!!.. I'd probably have to kill myself!...

Tom · 08-19-2005, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by lapinky

What if the woman was raped and became pregnant?She might abort it cause the baby brings the terror she experienced back then..

Well that's what you get for being ignorant.

Peregrin · 08-19-2005, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsyukomi

Peregrin, the topic on whether or not abortion should be legal is relatively not as large of an debate as you think, and there has been debate about this topic for quite some time now!

My opinion on Abortion is that it is simply wrong!

If anyone believes that it is ok to murder someone, then sure abortion is ok! So in my case I am against abortion.

Probably the only time where a decision about abortion is hard, is when it comes down to whether or not the mom's life depends on it! But with the technology that the world have today, it is not much of an serious issue that would occur often, if any now!

Overall, if you seriously think about it! Why would anyone want to get pregnant in the first place just to go through the trouble of having an abortion? I seriously doubt any woman is dumb enough to get pregnant for fun on purpose just so they can have the "thrill" of having some doctor putting them to sleep and stick some tools up their vagina and kill a baby!That sounds kinda bizarre doesn't it? If it's the sex they want... there are many form of birth-controls out there! People should just be more smart and think before they do things! There are so many advertisements for all sorts of birth-control, people should have no excuse! On top of that... if it was me... I would rather spend a few bucks on a condom then a few hundred dollars each time for someone to have an abortion!... Doesn't that sound logical?

Ever hear that only bad writers use a lot of exclamation points? It's true... Besides, contraception alone won't solve the issue. Do you think that people who don't want babies don't use these things? PLUS you completely ignore the issue of disease. Just... yeah.

Tsyukomi · 08-19-2005, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Peregrin

Ever hear that only bad writers use a lot of exclamation points? It's true... Besides, contraception alone won't solve the issue. Do you think that people who don't want babies don't use these things? PLUS you completely ignore the issue of disease. Just... yeah.

(o.O)~???.... Nope sorry never heard that before?... Gee I wonder why exclamation mark exist then?... I guess I must be a really bad writter!!!... Sorry if the way I write doesn't meet to your high standard, but you can always chose not to read wat I post! But that's besides the point! ^^

and um.... I don't really know wat your point is??? in your last post? you end with "Just...yeah." wat's that suppose to mean? We are talkin about Abortion? But I don't know why you are talkin about Disease?? HAHAHAHHA!!

KageSenin · 08-19-2005, 03:02 PM

hey daraztek... your not throwing all your pain away... ifyou put it up for adoption you can live knowing thebabys being brought up with people who can afford to take of it... you can even visit it. its not like your throwing away your baby... and whats wrong with long paragraphs huh? nothing i would rather write a paragraoh than critizicing everything everyong says.. if you dont want a baby then dont have sex.. its as simple as that.. since you dont trust condoms...

08-16-2005, 04:09 AM	#107
Peregrin Fool of a Took Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere with a Mediterranean climate. Age: 22 Posts: 574 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ah. So true. what about the eggs you eat? They're the eggs that failed to hatch. Just like how girls lose eggs in the menstrual cycle. You can't call a nonliving thing living just because of potential! It's like calling potential energy and kinetic energy identical! __________________ "The chief has spoken" -Lord of the Flies

08-17-2005, 01:29 AM	#109
Peregrin Fool of a Took Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Somewhere with a Mediterranean climate. Age: 22 Posts: 574 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Yes, let's all put eggs up for adoption! Great idea - too bad the baby has to be born by the original mother who may not be able to put up with being pregnant. __________________ "The chief has spoken" -Lord of the Flies

08-18-2005, 06:08 AM	#111
Tom DRAMA!!! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Illinois Age: 23 Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Abortion simply needs to be the choice of the mother, the carrier, the owner of that being inhabitating her body. If she doesn't want it, why will you force her to have it. __________________

08-18-2005, 06:10 AM	#113
Tom DRAMA!!! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Illinois Age: 23 Posts: 502 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Oh come on, the thing is a damn egg in a females body that they put a needle in. It's not like you let it develop and then kill. __________________

08-18-2005, 06:15 AM	#114
Tsyukomi Genin Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: So Cal Age: 34 Posts: 190 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	you think a woman will know she is pregnant right away? I'm sure it would take at least a month if not two before a woman would know if she is pregnant, and by that time cells are already starting to form! __________________ I AM: Davie325 Member of The: Konoha 5 FC Member of The: Ichigo FC ~Special Thanks to *Uchiha1412Toshi* Who helped me change my name ^^ ~My Amigo *Kitsune_ai* She loves Ero-Sennin ^^

08-18-2005, 06:45 AM	#115
lapinky Jounin Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Singapore Age: 20 Posts: 976 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What if the woman was raped and became pregnant?She might abort it cause the baby brings the terror she experienced back then.. __________________ kakashi =D MyBlog kakashi! =D

08-18-2005, 06:51 AM	#116
Tsyukomi Genin Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: So Cal Age: 34 Posts: 190 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ahh good question, Probably up to the gurl then.... but she should probably have to go through some counciling and probably need to seriously think about the choice that she makes! whether to not abort and give up the child for adoption, or I guess simply just abort! I think if I was a gurl and got raped... wow I would be SCAR'D for the rest of my life!!.. I'd probably have to kill myself!... __________________ I AM: Davie325 Member of The: Konoha 5 FC Member of The: Ichigo FC ~Special Thanks to *Uchiha1412Toshi* Who helped me change my name ^^ ~My Amigo *Kitsune_ai* She loves Ero-Sennin ^^

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