Tobi: The Father of Genjutsu? - Page 2

AOTKorby · 07-14-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

That makes no sense since 10 tails (1 more then 9) is all 9 put together.....

Think about it. The kyuubi being the dark half of the juubis power makes ssnse since its a mass of dark, hate. And if this is true then naruto doesnt have to die from bijuu extraction because the juubis other half can be revived allowing an even match between the kyuubi and juubi.....

Just gonna respond to this part since the rest doesn't need any comment positive or negative.

The 9 Bijuu are not all of equal power. 9 parts make up the whole of the Juubi, but that does not mean that all 9 parts make up an equal amount of its power. If you literally add up the number of tails between the 9 bijuu, you get 45. Divide that by ten, you get the theoretical equation for how many "tails" one of the Juubi's tails is worth: 4.5. The Kyuubi has 9 tails. This is 2 x 4.5. Therefore, the Kyuubi would represent 1/5 of the Juubi's chakra, 2 out of 10 tails, if that held true. It also makes some sense, as if Tobi/Madara gets all 8 of the other bijuu, it would allow him to come out with a whole number of "juubi tails", which would make it considerably easier to have him use the power of the Juubi before fighting Naruto and/or getting the Kyuubi.

Memphis · 07-14-2010, 09:47 PM

i dont think this theory is too far-fetched i mean we've seen a ninja with 5 hearts, but one flaw would be that if he inherited the dark half of the chakra then why would he need the nine tails by your maths he would only need the first eight as thats half the chakra. if he also gained half the chakra then why is it so that the RS actually managed to split the whole thing up if he just split up his half then tobi would still have his half right?

i mean this theory is good but what about him being the actual juubi i mean its probably been said before, but it would make sense i mean a beast attacking and when its defeated everyone worships the RS, could this beast have been trying to take over the world with its SG, and "its body got sent to the moon" and this is the moon's eye plan, like giving the moon an eye thus completing the juubi? this would also explain trying to gain the chakra of the juubi through the tailed beasts or half of it as in your theory i don't know maybe it makes no sense but it does to me

krurk · 07-14-2010, 10:09 PM

I like the theory, I usually disagree with what he says, but this theory would make sense, Madara is just way to easy to guess, and Tobi being a completely different person and the creator of genjutsu would def change things up a bit. I really hope he has a different name though because Tobi is rather lame. Furthermore, onto the whole how is he alive thing, maybe his is like Lord Voldormort from Harry Potter, for people who don't understand this referance, Voldormort, splits his soul into 7 by killing 7 different people, I am not saying it is the same in Naruto, but maybe he uses a completely different forbidden jutsu then Oro did. Maybe he found a way to keep his soul alive, therefore keeping himself alive.

P.S.
This would explain why he got a little bugged out when he saw who else Kabuto has, if it is the real Madara, he has to reveal who he truly is, ruining his plans.

Good theory KYF.

Oz_Striker · 07-14-2010, 10:29 PM

The thing i dont like about the theory is that the main villain is someone who hasn't been mentioned in the first 501 chapters of the manga, but a creditable theory nonetheless.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 07-14-2010, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SenninKorby

Just gonna respond to this part since the rest doesn't need any comment positive or negative.

The 9 Bijuu are not all of equal power. 9 parts make up the whole of the Juubi, but that does not mean that all 9 parts make up an equal amount of its power. If you literally add up the number of tails between the 9 bijuu, you get 45. Divide that by ten, you get the theoretical equation for how many "tails" one of the Juubi's tails is worth: 4.5. The Kyuubi has 9 tails. This is 2 x 4.5. Therefore, the Kyuubi would represent 1/5 of the Juubi's chakra, 2 out of 10 tails, if that held true. It also makes some sense, as if Tobi/Madara gets all 8 of the other bijuu, it would allow him to come out with a whole number of "juubi tails", which would make it considerably easier to have him use the power of the Juubi before fighting Naruto and/or getting the Kyuubi.

Ur acting as if kishi divided the bijuu by using math to which there is no real evidence other then tail #s, not power #s.

Ur missing the coorelation between tobis (weakened by harishima) losing the kyuubi (half the juubsi chakra), but h, now about has the other half (the other 8 bijuu) with gedo mazo the RGs summon. So, a battle between the juubi and kyuubi would be possible which would mean, yes, naruto doesnt have to get sucked to death like a bleach chapter.

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Originally Posted by Memphis

i dont think this theory is too far-fetched i mean we've seen a ninja with 5 hearts, but one flaw would be that if he inherited the dark half of the chakra then why would he need the nine tails by your maths he would only need the first eight as thats half the chakra. if he also gained half the chakra then why is it so that the RS actually managed to split the whole thing up if he just split up his half then tobi would still have his half right?

i mean this theory is good but what about him being the actual juubi i mean its probably been said before, but it would make sense i mean a beast attacking and when its defeated everyone worships the RS, could this beast have been trying to take over the world with its SG, and "its body got sent to the moon" and this is the moon's eye plan, like giving the moon an eye thus completing the juubi? this would also explain trying to gain the chakra of the juubi through the tailed beasts or half of it as in your theory i don't know maybe it makes no sense but it does to me

Lol, check around with the search bar and u should fnd my theory on Tobi =juubi as well Check under"tobis true idenity"....

BOT: Well tobi had the kyuubi and needed the other 8, but hashirama screwed that up, thus weakening tobis POWER like he keeps claiming. But now tobi has about all 8 (the other half) so he will be comming for the kyuubi soon I assure u. I mean hes done it twice and failed so its no wonder hes decided to save it for last.

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Originally Posted by krurk

I like the theory, I usually disagree with what he says, but this theory would make sense, Madara is just way to easy to guess, and Tobi being a completely different person and the creator of genjutsu would def change things up a bit. I really hope he has a different name though because Tobi is rather lame. Furthermore, onto the whole how is he alive thing, maybe his is like Lord Voldormort from Harry Potter, for people who don't understand this referance, Voldormort, splits his soul into 7 by killing 7 different people, I am not saying it is the same in Naruto, but maybe he uses a completely different forbidden jutsu then Oro did. Maybe he found a way to keep his soul alive, therefore keeping himself alive.

P.S.
This would explain why he got a little bugged out when he saw who else Kabuto has, if it is the real Madara, he has to reveal who he truly is, ruining his plans.

Good theory KYF.

And about thats^^^

By my theories logic, RS should be in the casket since hes the olny one to truly now who tobi is and who actaully ever beat him....

For everybody: To continue my theory and where I got the Idea in the first place is because of this one little hint kishi gavehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/12/
"I lost but I didnt die. I was forgotten by everyone. EVEN HISTORY!!!"

Madara forgoten by history?? But Jman claimed what happened at the valley of the end is common knowledgehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/

So if madara truly isnt forgoten by everyone and history, then tobi had to be refering to himself.....

Think about it!!! Even rikudou seenin is known by most yet who the fuck is tobi???? Clearly tobis pretty butt hurt over that and went and gave away a secret about himself (with kishis intention IMO).

So yes, I purpose tobi=tobi. The unkown rival of RS ......

Its better then obito or sasuke from the future....

AOTKorby · 07-14-2010, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

Ur acting as if kishi divided the bijuu by using math to which there is no real evidence other then tail #s, not power #s.

Ur missing the coorelation between tobis (weakened by harishima) losing the kyuubi (half the juubsi chakra), but h, now about has the other half (the other 8 bijuu) with gedo mazo the RGs summon. So, a battle between the juubi and kyuubi would be possible which would mean, yes, naruto doesnt have to get sucked to death like a bleach chapter.

I'm not saying it's definitely the case, I'm just pointing out that the math does work out and it would make sense. It may well be utterly unintentional, or it could be purposeful and planned. We don't know at all.

Overall, the theory has potential, there are some holes in it, but details that would need to be given to support the theory are in no way far-fetched in their chance of happening.

krurk · 07-14-2010, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

Ur acting as if kishi divided the bijuu by using math to which there is no real evidence other then tail #s, not power #s.

Ur missing the coorelation between tobis (weakened by harishima) losing the kyuubi (half the juubsi chakra), but h, now about has the other half (the other 8 bijuu) with gedo mazo the RGs summon. So, a battle between the juubi and kyuubi would be possible which would mean, yes, naruto doesnt have to get sucked to death like a bleach chapter.

Lol, check around with the search bar and u should fnd my theory on Tobi =juubi as well Check under"tobis true idenity"....

BOT: Well tobi had the kyuubi and needed the other 8, but hashirama screwed that up, thus weakening tobis POWER like he keeps claiming. But now tobi has about all 8 (the other half) so he will be comming for the kyuubi soon I assure u. I mean hes done it twice and failed so its no wonder hes decided to save it for last.

And about thats^^^

By my theories logic, RS should be in the casket since hes the olny one to truly now who tobi is and who actaully ever beat him....

For everybody: To continue my theory and where I got the Idea in the first place is because of this one little hint kishi gavehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/399/12/
"I lost but I didnt die. I was forgotten by everyone. EVEN HISTORY!!!"

Madara forgoten by history?? But Jman claimed what happened at the valley of the end is common knowledgehttp://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/370/16/

So if madara truly isnt forgoten by everyone and history, then tobi had to be refering to himself.....

Think about it!!! Even rikudou seenin is known by most yet who the fuck is tobi???? Clearly tobis pretty butt hurt over that and went and gave away a secret about himself (with kishis intention IMO).

So yes, I purpose tobi=tobi. The unkown rival of RS ......

Its better then obito or sasuke from the future....

Question KYF,

In the panel it says he was defeated at the river, if he referring to himself who would have defeated him there? or are you saying that he is mixing his own history into Madara's history, such as Madara was defeated there, he had to say it to keep to Madara's story, but when he said he was forgotten by history, he was referring to himself? That would make sense too me.

Also it would make sense for RS to be in the coffin, but how would that freak Tobi out? If it was Madara, then his cover is blown.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 07-14-2010, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by krurk

Question KYF,

In the panel it says he was defeated at the river, if he referring to himself who would have defeated him there? or are you saying that he is mixing his own history into Madara's history, such as Madara was defeated there, he had to say it to keep to Madara's story, but when he said he was forgotten by history, he was referring to himself? That would make sense too me.

Also it would make sense for RS to be in the coffin, but how would that freak Tobi out? If it was Madara, then his cover is blown.

I was refering to tobi mixing his history with madaras to continue the illusion hes madara while actually revealing some truth about himself.

Yea, but while madara could give away his idenity, RS could give away his idenity as well as how he is what he is and how he defeated him before which could allow a strategy to be formed to attack his unknown weakness.

Viczor6 · 07-15-2010, 02:38 AM

This theory is kinda farfetchd, it's possibility though.

Scribbles · 07-15-2010, 04:44 AM

i like this theory, Its plausible.

TheBaron · 07-15-2010, 06:42 AM

I can haz cookies?

JEWbii · 07-15-2010, 11:23 PM

I like this theory... and pretty much every theory that KYF posts. I don't necesarily agree with this theory orany others but they are creative and fun to read.

Good stuff KYF.

question...

If Naruto has only one "side" of the 9b and he is still the jink, then wouldn't Tobi STILL be the jink of the 10b since he would still have the "dark side"?

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 07-16-2010, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEWbii

I like this theory... and pretty much every theory that KYF posts. I don't necesarily agree with this theory orany others but they are creative and fun to read.

Good stuff KYF.

question...

If Naruto has only one "side" of the 9b and he is still the jink, then wouldn't Tobi STILL be the jink of the 10b since he would still have the "dark side"?

Well yea currently, but another theory I posted took care of that. I theorized the other half of the kyuubi is meant to recombine with naruto, but only though sasuke so its power can be controlled as well as reuniting the eyes and body of RS. I mean actaully combining the eyes of tobi (as apart of this theory) with the body of RS which would be something totally new now that I think about it.

goldengod · 07-16-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SilverbladeVI

Alright you can say the Genjutsu thing since Madara was the FIRST known one to uncover the secrets of the sharingan. So yeah.

There were other Uchiha whom existed and shit. For some reason they worship that Fan and tengu. I don't know why.

Probably so. Itachi was a pro at Genjutsu and Madara was his teacher. So yeah. Until manga confirms this though.

I still dont think madara is on a genjutsu lvl as itachi. manga have to confirm this first before i believe that. teacher could mean anything or he could be lying as usual. it's hard to tell because he was living a lie for years. i dont know what is truth from false when concerning him

tobi1427 · 07-16-2010, 08:15 PM

confusing but yes

07-14-2010, 09:47 PM	#17
Memphis King Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 857 Thanks: 213 Thanked 584 Times in 294 Posts	Re: Tobi: The Father of Genjutsu? i dont think this theory is too far-fetched i mean we've seen a ninja with 5 hearts, but one flaw would be that if he inherited the dark half of the chakra then why would he need the nine tails by your maths he would only need the first eight as thats half the chakra. if he also gained half the chakra then why is it so that the RS actually managed to split the whole thing up if he just split up his half then tobi would still have his half right? i mean this theory is good but what about him being the actual juubi i mean its probably been said before, but it would make sense i mean a beast attacking and when its defeated everyone worships the RS, could this beast have been trying to take over the world with its SG, and "its body got sent to the moon" and this is the moon's eye plan, like giving the moon an eye thus completing the juubi? this would also explain trying to gain the chakra of the juubi through the tailed beasts or half of it as in your theory i don't know maybe it makes no sense but it does to me

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krurk ANBU Join Date: Jul 2008 Age: 22 Posts: 1,533 Thanks: 76 Thanked 669 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Tobi: The Father of Genjutsu? I like the theory, I usually disagree with what he says, but this theory would make sense, Madara is just way to easy to guess, and Tobi being a completely different person and the creator of genjutsu would def change things up a bit. I really hope he has a different name though because Tobi is rather lame. Furthermore, onto the whole how is he alive thing, maybe his is like Lord Voldormort from Harry Potter, for people who don't understand this referance, Voldormort, splits his soul into 7 by killing 7 different people, I am not saying it is the same in Naruto, but maybe he uses a completely different forbidden jutsu then Oro did. Maybe he found a way to keep his soul alive, therefore keeping himself alive. P.S. This would explain why he got a little bugged out when he saw who else Kabuto has, if it is the real Madara, he has to reveal who he truly is, ruining his plans. Good theory KYF.

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JEWbii Genin Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: too scared of the nuts on this forum to fill this out Posts: 128 Thanks: 6 Thanked 65 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Tobi: The Father of Genjutsu? I like this theory... and pretty much every theory that KYF posts. I don't necesarily agree with this theory orany others but they are creative and fun to read. Good stuff KYF. question... If Naruto has only one "side" of the 9b and he is still the jink, then wouldn't Tobi STILL be the jink of the 10b since he would still have the "dark side"?

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