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Old 08-02-2010, 08:29 PM   #121
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If its a case of "the end justifies the means" then there would be no bone of contention here. But for a manga that preaches "The Will of Fire" and talks of bonds, Madara's actions are immoral. Don't go on saying that its all a part of the game because its not. This manga may be about ninjas but none of the characters behave like true ninjas... barring Zabuza.
It is a part of the game, even Minato explained it to Naruto. "As long as there are shinobi, there will be hate." Obviously hate drove Madara, and he's a shinobi, so even according to Minato, (not saying its moral) it is a constant with ninja.


That's some twisted logic. We're not talking about winning a "who makes it to 100 years first" contest here. When it mattered, Madara failed miserably. He lost to the leader of a clan which was the Uchiha clan's biggest nemesis. This caused him to take his brother's eyes, just for the sake of gaining power to beat Hashirama, which he ultimately was unable to. After losing the battle, he was abandoned by his own clan members since he opposed the selection of Hashirama as Hokage - one which he wanted for himself, and which he failed at achieving. He then left the village, only to come back with the summoned Kyubi to challenge Hashirama and still lost the battle only to survive by the skin of his teeth - enough to run away to see another day in his moribund state.

What part of this passage depicts Madara as a winner ?

I'd rather be used as someone else's puppet without retaining control of my body than go around masquerading as some jackass with one eye and an IQ level of 150 with the consequent actions and results of a 10 year old.
Lets see, battle to the death. Harashima won. Madara faked his death, and obviously Harashima didn't live long after the battle. Madara outlived him, his brother, Sandamine, Minato, and he's still here simply causing chaos, which is all he meant to do. Survey says, his goals may not be complete, but he's making moves to achieve them, ALIVE.... Madara UBER winner. He's outlasted, evaded, avoided, toyed with, whatever EVERY KONOHA BEAST TO DATE.

Your length of your whole post is redundant and totally off the point. The point here is that if Itachi wanted to... he would have killed Sasuke right on the day of the massacre. Decisions like the one made by Itachi are not made overnight. The day he left Sasuke alive was the day that he decided to die by his hands and so never took Sasuke seriously. Him being more powerful is another thing because he was better than Sasuke. Contradictory to what people think, Itachi was way stronger than Sasuke is at his age, and has always been the better genius and more gifted. The only reason Sasuke was able to compete with him on leveled grounds was because Itachi let him. His attempts to harm Sasuke only failed because he was not going for the killing blow... period.
My point was that everybody whom hates Sasuke can dissect ANY battle he's been in and say, fail, fail, fail. When the 'Wonderful and Patriotic' Itachi fails at anything, it is never mentioned. When Naruto/Kakashi fails its RARELY mentioned. And just simply give Sasuke the respect he's due for breaking through 2 of the 3 MS jutsu's WITHOUT AN MS VS. A GENIUS.


You do realize that the more a technique is used, the lesser the execution time is ? And once the technique is mastered, it can be performed instantaneously. Kakashi's Kamui took ages to prepare against Deidera but against Sasuke, he was able to use it in a flash without anyone realizing it. It also took a lesser toll on him. Another example of this is P1 Naruto's Rasengan vs Jiraiya's or Minato's Rasengan.

Similarly, when Sasuke first used Susano'o, it took a shit load of time to form its basic shape and then attack. But as he used it more often, the formation time for Susano'o reduced gradually till he could use it instantaneously.

Why is it so hard for Itachi to be able to do the same considering he had the MS way longer than Sasuke did ?

Its at least a lot more explicable than the Hawk summon that Sasuke pulled out his ass. Behold the power of SYMBOLISM !!!.... Sheesh....
HORSE SHIT PERIOD. There's no MANGA PROOF to support what you believe to be the truth. Theres not ONE time in the manga besides what I quoted that Susannoo wasn't visible to protect the user. Though Itachi only used his once, IT WASN'T VISIBLE, so therefore it wasn't there. IF at some point with EMS, Sasuke pulls Susannoo out of his ass and its not visible, and he has a conversation, then it becomes visible, one can make the assesment that was the case. Until that point, you're just guessing to fill a Kishi plot hole that he screwed up. Lastly, I don't really care a lot about Sasuke hate, Itachi actually told the truth...."Little Brother you have become very strong, if it weren't for this....(Susannoo appears), I'd be dead." That was spoken from the mouth of the Konoha Hero that was a Genius.
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Old 08-02-2010, 10:19 PM   #122
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There's no point to discuss with you... just read the manga again but this time properly.
Why don't you take your own advice and read the manga yourself...You are the one who is delusional about Sasuke becoming legend, defeating 6 kages and all...thats never gonna happen
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Why don't you take your own advice and read the manga yourself...You are the one who is delusional about Sasuke becoming legend, defeating 6 kages and all...thats never gonna happen
It already did LMAO.
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Why don't you take your own advice and read the manga yourself...You are the one who is delusional about Sasuke becoming legend, defeating 6 kages and all...thats never gonna happen
This already happened! JEEZ! '>_> Go troll somewhere else...
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:32 AM   #126
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This already happened! JEEZ! '>_> Go troll somewhere else...
I'm sure you hear that a lot fag =D.
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:38 AM   #127
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This already happened! JEEZ! '>_> Go troll somewhere else...
Yeah in your dreams...

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I'm sure you hear that a lot fag =D.
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Old 08-03-2010, 02:40 AM   #128
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I Will banhammer you! I hate trolls...
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Go ahead and try
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Just wait... you will cry like a little girl... TROLL!
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You're a worse troll than him, you're not even a troll, you're just a fag. An unoriginal fag.
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But not today
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