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Old 10-19-2010, 04:22 PM   #136
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but still if u detroyed the body it coming back is just impossible even for a manga.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:25 PM   #137
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but still if u detroyed the body it coming back is just impossible even for a manga.
What body? It's dust/ash. There is no body. The soul is being kept in the living world with the help of a physical container. That container happens to be dust and ash. It's not a real body, thus not a real human being, so it makes sense that they're not dying of blood loss/losing limbs.

EDIT: With "body" I mean a human body of flesh and blood, of course.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:31 PM   #138
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What body? It's dust/ash. There is no body. The soul is being kept in the living world with the help of a physical container. That container happens to be dust and ash. It's not a real body, thus not a real human being, so it makes sense that they're not dying of blood loss/losing limbs.

EDIT: With "body" I mean a human body of flesh and blood, of course.
im not talking about flesh and body im just talking about the body thats shown when its totaly destroyed do u think it will be able to come back.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:45 PM   #139
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im not talking about flesh and body im just talking about the body thats shown when its totaly destroyed do u think it will be able to come back.
According to the manga it will as long as the soul is still bound to the golem. Until the soul is sealed away in some fashion (Shiki Fujin, etc), the golem will continue to regenerate any and all damage done to it. How is this not sinking in?
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:47 PM   #140
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According to the manga it will as long as the soul is still bound to the golem. Until the soul is sealed away in some fashion (Shiki Fujin, etc), the golem will continue to regenerate any and all damage done to it. How is this not sinking in?
do u now what chapter it was stated in.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:48 PM   #141
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^Yes, because it's not a real body, and because it comes back together after damage. There are no real organs, so it's just dust coming back together.

Destroying all of it wouldn't work unless the jutsu's "regeneration" characteristic comes from a separate bind seal/regeneration seal. Right now I believe it's build into the summoning contract itself, cause anything stating otherwise hasn't been shown (yet).
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:48 PM   #142
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do u now what chapter it was stated in.
I freaking linked it when I said that Hiruzen says he has to deal with the souls instead of the bodies. Also, unlike most summons, taking care of the summoner will NOT stop the golems.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:51 PM   #143
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I freaking linked it when I said that Hiruzen says he has to deal with the souls instead of the bodies. Also, unlike most summons, taking care of the summoner will NOT stop the golems.
that only proves that if a single body part is destroyed at a time it will regenerate, but if the intire body is destroyed that hasnt been shown or proven in the manga, that it will regenerate.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:53 PM   #144
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that only proves that if a single body part is destroyed at a time it will regenerate, but if the intire body is destroyed that hasnt been shown or proven in the manga, that it will regenerate.
What part of "I have to do something about the souls trapped by the Edo Tensei or it's no use" doesn't click with "it doesn't matter how much damage is dealt to the golem, it will still come back"?
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:57 PM   #145
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What part of "I have to do something about the souls trapped by the Edo Tensei or it's no use" doesn't click with "it doesn't matter how much damage is dealt to the golem, it will still come back"?
that statement can be referning to the third hokages nowledge of the jutsu maybe he didnt now a way other then sealing it, to defeat a golem.
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:00 PM   #146
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that statement can be referning to the third hokages nowledge of the jutsu maybe he didnt now a way other then sealing it, to defeat a golem.
His teacher, the 2nd Hokage, CREATED the Edo Tensei jutsu. Hiruzen was called the "Professor" because he knew EVERY jutsu in Konoha. He knew about the Edo Tensei. He recognized it immediately when Orochimaru used it. He knew, from the 2nd Hokage, that one has to deal with the souls of the golems to get rid of them. He just had to test that theory first by using the explosive tags on the Kages.
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:03 PM   #147
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His teacher, the 2nd Hokage, CREATED the Edo Tensei jutsu. Hiruzen was called the "Professor" because he knew EVERY jutsu in Konoha. He knew about the Edo Tensei. He recognized it immediately when Orochimaru used it. He knew, from the 2nd Hokage, that one has to deal with the souls of the golems to get rid of them. He just had to test that theory first by using the explosive tags on the Kages.
ok so he just assumed that he couldnt use anything other then a sealing jutsu. so that still leaves the possiblity of it working since no one has tried it yet.
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:07 PM   #148
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ok so he just assumed that he couldnt use anything other then a sealing jutsu. so that still leaves the possiblity of it working since no one has tried it yet.
He knew he had to remove their souls to stop the golems, there is no other way than that. The only jutsu we know of capable of removing souls, aside from the Human Path's ability to rip a soul from someone's body, is the Shiki Fujin.
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:11 PM   #149
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He knew he had to remove their souls to stop the golems, there is no other way than that. The only jutsu we know of capable of removing souls, aside from the Human Path's ability to rip a soul from someone's body, is the Shiki Fujin.
yea i know that its just im not convinced that the only way to beat a golem is to seal it. im sure there's another way kishi will make this possible.
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Old 10-19-2010, 05:20 PM   #150
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^With other way, I know you're trying to refer to a physical jutsu that damages the body. Just accept that it's not possible. Only someone with the power to handle souls (Hell god, Death God, or someone with the soul extraction jutsu), or a fuujin can do the job.
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