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Old 02-12-2011, 02:05 PM   #1
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"That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

First things first... The correlation between GEDO MAZO and the SHIKI FUUJIN to help my theory....

1. Both are sealing jutsu that require contact with the FUUJIN Jutsu (GEDO)http://www.mangareader.net/93-452-10...apter-447.html
(SHIKI)http://www.mangareader.net/93-56104-...apter-504.html

2. Both seal souls and spiritual energy....

The only difference is SHIKI takes the life of the user there and then while the GEDO does its slowly Judging by the appearance of nagato...

However, I believe the SHIKI FUUJIN will become an amazing weapon and that finall jutsu to be completed due to the foxes massive yang chakra which should substitute spiritual energy. Plus one more thing....

Step #1.....

Example: naruto uses SHIKI FUUJIN in Rikudou Mode and instead of his life being taken by the SHIKI... Just a portion of the massive amount of YANG chakra is taken instead which is why the mastery of the Kyuubi is so important...

Yang chakra like this which was used able to revive Konaha dead with Nagatos:"Rinne Tensai" which is also coincidently used by a Death God Like SHIKI FUUJIN to which nagato had control over.....http://www.mangareader.net/93-454-3/...apter-449.html

For more context on Yang element, its like "life energy"! It Life itself in the form of energy which is how it brought back the dead Via Rinne tensai and made a wood jutsu larger and more full of life just by presence alonehttp://www.mangareader.net/93-56332-...apter-505.html

Its a perfect substitute for narutos life, since it is life itself in the form of energy.... The only drawback is that the jutsu can only be used so long before all of the kyuubis yang chakra/life energy is used up....

Step#2......

And to take the jutsu to its final stage, naruto will find a way to attach himself to the SHIKI in order to use the powers that are dwelling within it... The same way Tobi managed to use alot of the chakra dwelling in GEDO MAZO to create 100,000 zetsu soldiers and who knows what else...http://www.mangareader.net/93-57917-...apter-512.html

^^^means there is a way to draw upon the power it takes, not just use its.....

Both are of the same concept (SHIKI FUUJIN and GEDO MEZO)and since one can have its power drawn on and give the power its wielder power from within, Its plausible the same can be done with the other (SHIKI FUUJIN...)

Heres the SHIKI FUUJIN http://www.mangareader.net/93-55672-...apter-503.html

Heres Narutos RIKUDOU MODE http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/520

Now, the SHIKI FUUJIN puts its arm into the user to draw out the soul, spiritual energy (yang chakra I suppose...) of the enemy using the user as a medium and allowing the user to user the SHIKI FUUJINS power....http://www.mangareader.net/93-56104-...apter-504.html

However, Naruto in RIKUDOU MODE has extra arms he can use...http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/519/14
and the arms have the capability to reach the SHIKI FUUJIN..(last panel)http://www.mangareader.net/93-58567-...apter-516.html

Now, If naruto can somehow connect his extra arms or tails perhaps, (add a seal to create a plug in of sorts) naruto could draw upon the power within the SHIKI FUUJIN just as Tobi did with the GEDO MAZO... And with the first four Hokages in there.... Naruto could perform all the Hokages jutsu becoming the Ultimate Hokage to be able to use, wood, fire, earth, water, the FTG seal, T/S jutsu of the second and fourth and even Orochimarus jutsu... as well as huge amounts of shinobi knowledge trapped in there. He could become a Tactician and strategist beyond shikamaru, kakashi ect with his fathers, shodais, Nidaimes and the thirds life knowledge, battle tactics and strategies.... Not to mention know what really happened with Madara all those years ago....

And since the soul of the departed is what holds the KKG and abilities and knowledge of the warrior which kabuoro confirms herehttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/520/13
and herehttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/520/14

It is plausible, no doubt.... If naruto can draw upon the power of the kyuubi by means of seals, then drawing on the previous Kages and Oros jutsu trapped in there, is also more then plausible...

Pure speculation:
IMO, Somehow Minato could've been aware of the GEDO MAZO... Perhaps its the sages 5th and final treasure....(a Death god trapped in a statue, IDK)... and minato tried to create a jutsu in its Image, but wasn't able to finish it because he didn't have the means like naruto does....

Conclusion:
Minatos unfinished, naruto Final jutsu will for sure be by means of Kyuubi control and I can't think of a better and more effective means of using one jutsu to improve another.....

And if true.... Naruto will be the Ultimate Hokage.... Or perhaps by the end of the series... all nations will come together and he will be the first and ultimate Kage of all....
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

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KYF you have great imagination, but like you didn't say, 98% of your post is PURE/RANDOM/BELOW-KISHI-LVL-OF-INTELLIGENCE speculation. Not just the end part.

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Now, If naruto can somehow connect his extra arms or tails perhaps, (add a seal to create a plug in of sorts) naruto could draw upon the power within the SHIKI FUUJIN just as Tobi did with the GEDO MAZO... And with the first four Hokages in there.... Naruto could perform all the Hokages jutsu becoming the Ultimate Hokage to be able to use, wood, fire, earth, water, the FTG seal, T/S jutsu of the second and fourth and even Orochimarus jutsu... as well as huge amounts of shinobi knowledge trapped in there. He could become a Tactician and strategist beyond shikamaru, kakashi ect with his fathers, shodais, Nidaimes and the thirds life knowledge, battle tactics and strategies.... Not to mention know what really happened with Madara all those years ago....

And since the soul of the departed is what holds the KKG and abilities and knowledge of the warrior which kabuoro confirms herehttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/520/13
and herehttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/520/14

It is plausible, no doubt.... If naruto can draw upon the power of the kyuubi by means of seals, then drawing on the previous Kages and Oros jutsu trapped in there, is also more then plausible...
Someone will smack you in the face just for this. What you're speculating sounds even worse than Yamato's purpose of existence in the story, worse than the eye haxx arcs, worse than the Bright Light Faggotry arc(+armadillo dick sideshow), and last but not least even worse than the current massive ET fan riding arc. Don't.
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

All this talk of Yang chakra, does the yin not matter? I know it was sealed into the death god, but yang cannot exist without yin, black without white, not possible. Sounds decent.
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

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KYF you have great imagination, but like you didn't say, 98% of your post is PURE/RANDOM/BELOW-KISHI-LVL-OF-INTELLIGENCE speculation. Not just the end part.

Someone will smack you in the face just for this. What you're speculating sounds even worse than Yamato's purpose of existence in the story, worse than the eye haxx arcs, worse than the Bright Light Faggotry arc(+armadillo dick sideshow), and last but not least even worse than the current massive ET fan riding arc. Don't.
Uurrrmmm! An arm goes into the user to draw upon the user as a medium to use the Shikis power... Whats wrong with a flip concept of naruto using RS modes extendabile arms with some special seals to go into the shiki and access the power within him???

Theres tons of unique power in him just there for the using so whats so wrong with it.... similar to sasuke being synced to Gedo Mazo... its opposite exactly...

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All this talk of Yang chakra, does the yin not matter? I know it was sealed into the death god, but yang cannot exist without yin, black without white, not possible. Sounds decent.
Minato only took half of the kyuubi.... The manga says it took the yin half, but that would mean the kyuubi couldnt change so something ary there IMO...

No, naruto currently can only draw upon the Yang of the kyuubi sealed within him (the chakra that gives life, is used for medical ninjutsu and brehtes life into the dead)...

While the kyuubi (consciousness as it is) controls the Yin half thats sealed in him which is why he doesnt take the form of the kyuubi because without the Yin, there is no form for the yang to give life too...

Do u get where Im going???

Yin=Shape, illusion, lifeless, formlessness...

Yang=life, REAL, form, ect...
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

I've missed KYF's theory threads.
They provide a fan fic like story in the form of a theory, an argument between KYF and many others and KYf defending this argument til' a new chapter comes out and/or everyone forgets about it.
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

I read the first two paragraphs and didn't feel like reading the rest, but as always, KYF usually pulls some shit out of his ass to make the theory a theory, so good theory KYF, im proud.
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Old 02-12-2011, 11:04 PM   #7
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

I don't see why not. But my question is who and why would someone teach Naruto of all people the Death God Jutsu? You could say J-Man probably knew it but he wouldn't teach it to Naruto at that age and immaturity.

I think that whatever that Jutsu is may be the opposite of Death God. It seems Kishi doesn't like Loss. I mean i kinda understand why Kakashi came back because the story and Konoha needs him but the impact of death upon the village would have changed the tone of this manga(for the good). But anyway good theory all around.
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

It's unlikely to happen, but its not bad.
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Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future
So you can post the second bit and i shouldnt be allowed to if i dont tell you? Why be so rude?

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1. A basic quote

[*QUOTE][*/QUOTE]

(the * need to be removed for it to work, I put them in so you can see the text) is a basic quote that just wraps something in a quote without saying who quoted it who quoted so

[*QUOTE]this is a quote[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
this is a quote

Edit: there is a button for this, it looks like a speech bubble. If you select text and then press the button the selected text will automatically be wrapped with the quote tag


2. A quote that says who said it

[*QUOTE=who said it][*/QUOTE] this adds who said the post, manually putting that there can be useful when quoting something external. Example:

[*QUOTE=Mangastream]Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us[*/QUOTE] without any * would look like
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mangastream
Remember all you sexy bastards out there, Naruto, Bleach, OP, FT, etc. all on break this week. Feel free to take your rage out on us
3. A quote that says who said it and links to the post where it was said

[*QUOTE=who said it;X][*/QUOTE]

Where X is the post number.

For the post that i originally quoted it would look like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey, how do you break it up please and if your not willingly to tell me, then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]

That is what you get when you press the quote button.

4. Breaking up a quote

Now that you know how quotes work it all boils down to preference, how you want it to look like and how you want to do it.

One way of doing it is copying the latter part of the original quote [*/QUOTE] and then pasting it after each section you break up, write your reply, choose the text you want then paste it after that portion, repeat till you finish the go back and copy then paste the first part of the text at the beginning of each portion of text. Of course you can immediately copy and paste both parts of a poste so that you dont forget one in the end.

The end result would be something like this

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4



Which without any * would look like

Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by minato uchiha View Post
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4


Another way of doing it would be to cut and paste the second part of the quote tag after the first section of text you want to seperate then write your reply select the second part and hit he quote button (it looks like a text bubble),if you do that without anything else the end result would be

[*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164]Ok Stubborn donkey,[*/QUOTE]
My reply 1
[*QUOTE] how do you break it up please[*/QUOTE]
my reply 2
[*QUOTE]and if your not willingly to tell me, [*/QUOTE]
my reply 3
[*QUOTE]then please DONT offer me no advice in future[*/QUOTE]
my reply 4

Which would look like

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Ok Stubborn donkey,
My reply 1
Quote:
how do you break it up please
my reply 2
Quote:
and if your not willingly to tell me,
my reply 3
Quote:
then please DONT offer me no advice in future
my reply 4

To make it like the previous example (which wpuld be preferred, though not necessary ) copy the part that says who posted with the link to the post and paste it accordingly to the proper part in each first half of each quote tag. In my I would copy =minato uchiha;2118164 and paste it where the # is
[*QUOTE#] to get [*QUOTE=minato uchiha;2118164] (of course with the * removed)


Of course you can use any other method you like to get to the end result, but now that you know what the end rwsult looks like I think there shouldnt be any problems
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

Back on, KYF. This one was good but I just lol'd hard at the first thought of someone like Naruto(that idiot) being able to use Shiki Fuujin or any seal that is.

Moreover, manga states that people like Naruto(Jinchirukis) CANNOT use Shiki Fuujin.
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

not that can't use it. it was because he wasn't a jink he HAD to use that jutsu.
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I am more curious to see if Naruto ever learns seals simple because the Uzumaki were well known for it.
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

Yeah exactly i mean Kishi loves to tease us.
First with the "legendary 1st hokage" known as the yellow flash, some thought Naruto would develop the same thing until we saw HOW he did.
The RG okay the "chosen one " MUST be Naruto...nope.
Master the Kyuubi and they will be partners like Bee and His Bijuu.....nope again.
okay well he is learning Sage arts so he will have jutsu like J-mans......uhhh,no.

Uzumaki Kushina had "special" chakra, wow chakra chains! that would be cool if Naruto inherited those......yet again, no.

Okay look the Uzumaki were the best at seals, Naruto HAS to learn that right?right?RIGHT?!
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Yeah exactly i mean Kishi loves to tease us.
First with the "legendary 1st hokage" known as the yellow flash, some thought Naruto would develop the same thing until we saw HOW he did.
Wrong Kage.

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Master the Kyuubi and they will be partners like Bee and His Bijuu.....nope again.
okay well he is learning Sage arts so he will have jutsu like J-mans......uhhh,no.
What the fuck are you talking about here? Naruto is obviously the chosen one, or else the manga wouldn't have been named after him. Since he only has access to half of the Kyuubi, and the Kyuubi is inherently evil, it makes sense that he wouldn't be able to partner with it like Bee and Yugito. As for Sage training, Naruto did something that Jiraiya couldn't do with all of the training he went through, he mastered Sage Mode. He also found a way to get around the time limit for sage mode AND managed to use his sage training to perfect his Rasenshuriken.

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Uzumaki Kushina had "special" chakra, wow chakra chains! that would be cool if Naruto inherited those......yet again, no.
The chains are part of Kushina's special chakra, chakra that she has said is unique to her. Why would Naruto gain them?

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Okay look the Uzumaki were the best at seals, Naruto HAS to learn that right?right?RIGHT?!
It would be nice, but Naruto's a bit of a retard and we have no clue where any of the survivors from the Whirlpool village destruction are.
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

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not that can't use it. it was because he wasn't a jink he HAD to use that jutsu.
what are you trying to say here? I don't understand. If you mean to say that it was optional whether or not a jink can use it, you're wrong.
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Re: "That Jutsu" and its connection to Gedo Mazo....

Im probably wrong but didn't the third hokage solve this problem of dying by using shadow clones when he sealed the first and second hokages???? That way it offers a physical and spiritual scarifice.
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