Why i think Tobi/Madara is Obito...

MrMadMadMan · 02-19-2011, 01:55 PM

Well the reason i think Tobi is Obito (in body at least) is because as far as we know every sharingan doujutsu (eye-technique) varies from person to person. for example Itachi could cast Amaterasu/Susano and the only reason Sasuke can do so aswell is because he recieved the powers directly from his brother Itachi.

Kakashi and Tobi's doujutsu both mess with space-time. While Tobi can travel back and forth, Kakashi is only able to put things into it, ex. Deidara's arm. Do you think is a coincidence that both Kakashi and Tobi's doujutsus are so similar?. If you have read the whole manga as of today, you should know that Tobi had in fact 2 sharingan's and the way i see it he could have taken it from any other Uchiha since at the time Obito died(?), the Uchiha clan wasn't killed by Itachi yet. And what even a bigger coincidence is that he used Izanagi with his left eye in order to preserve the original, the right one capable of doing the space-time jutsus, because surely the sharingan he took was weak compared to the original.

Note: To avoid confusion im not saying that Tobi is not Madara, im saying that at least physically speaking Tobi is Obito, he could still be Madara in his mind/alt personality or something, which can only explain why he has so much knowledge on history, unless every Uchiha was taught the same from the fight of the first and Madara onwards.

Note 2: If Tobi was in fact Madara what would be the point of hiding his face with a mask? because he is fugly and/or have a lot of wrinkles? Highly doubtable...

PS. I read the rules already and i know about the:
"No Tobi=Obito threads.
THE ONLY TOBI THREAD IS THIS ONE:
http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=30762"
but the link is not working, so i can't post this.

stubborn_d0nkey · 02-19-2011, 02:03 PM

this "Why i think" and this dont go together "Tobi/Madara is Obito".

The S/T shit doesn't really support it, well since both jutsu's are ninjutsu. What about genjutsu? If it means anything about Madara and obito I'd say it is that they are in some way related

Numinous · 02-19-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMadMadMan

PS. I read the rules already and i know about the:
"No Tobi=Obito threads.
THE ONLY TOBI THREAD IS THIS ONE:
http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=30762"
but the link is not working, so i can't post this.

Since the theory has become the punchline of every joke and there are already a bajillion of threads about it (that you should have seen them using the search function, like any sensible person), nobody cares anymore updating that link.

But isn't it funny that, when we least expect, yet another Tobi=Obito thread comes up with a theory done to death?

MrMadMadMan · 02-19-2011, 02:23 PM

If it's ninjutsu why are the eyes limited to specific jutsu's? Why Kakashi is unable to do Amaterasu and as far as i know, known is little about Kakashi, Obito and Madara's genjutsu.

kael03 · 02-19-2011, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMadMadMan

Why Kakashi is unable to do Amaterasu

Because Kakashi can't use Katon jutsus. He never trained himself to use Katon so he wouldn't be able to generate Amaterasu, which is the penultimate Katon.

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and as far as i know, known is little about Kakashi, Obito and Madara's genjutsu.

Mangekyo offers 1 jutsu per eye: 1 eye gets the physical jutsu (Kamui, Amaterasu), the other eye gets the genjutsu (Tsukuyomi, whatever the hell Sasuke has). Both eyes then awaken Susanoo, which is rare even for the Mangekyo users. Since Kakashi only has 1 eye with Mangekyo, and that eye has the physical jutsu, he won't have a Mangekyo level genjutsu, just a measure of resistance against it (lolnone).

Sensei-Q · 02-19-2011, 03:09 PM

Keep in mind that 1 eye could contain 1 physical and 1 genjutsu, or both physical. Sasuke has the first.

AOTKorby · 02-19-2011, 03:13 PM

Oh, oh, wait a minute. I smell an infraction coming.

jericho Uzimaki · 02-19-2011, 04:26 PM

Wait that is a good question why can't Kakashi use the black flames?
Training has noting to do with it, it's an automatic upgrade.
Besides he does use fire jutsu as well anyway, just not recently.eye intact.

Oh and why MUST it be Obito couldn't his father or older brother have similar eye jutsu?
Oh and the reason he used the left probably is to keep the hax jutsu. ALSO why we never see it MS. He prob goes MS a second before he uses it then off right after. as so to NOT go blind.(that is IF he ISN'T Madara,cause Madara has EMS)

In conclusion, I really don't think it IS Madara cause IF it was then right after he made his presence known he would have unmasked from THAT point on. It is someone that isn't as powerful offensively as his peers, that is why he has SO many Sharinghans, and wants Sasuke to go EMS. He took one RG from Nagato and when Sasuke rise he will take his EMS.

Numinous · 02-19-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki

Wait that is a good question why can't Kakashi use the black flames?
Training has noting to do with it, it's an automatic upgrade.
Besides he does use fire jutsu as well anyway, just not recently.eye intact.

Kakashi never used Katon as far as we know...

kael03 · 02-19-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Numinous

Kakashi never used Katon as far as we know...

Outside of the anime, which is NOT canon.

k-lai · 02-19-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki

In conclusion, I really don't think it IS Madara cause IF it was then right after he made his presence known he would have unmasked from THAT point on. It is someone that isn't as powerful offensively as his peers, that is why he has SO many Sharinghans, and wants Sasuke to go EMS. He took one RG from Nagato and when Sasuke rise he will take his EMS.

If thats what u're saying then it all the more proves that tobi could be/is obito...

Sensei-Q · 02-19-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki

He prob goes MS a second before he uses it then off right after. as so to NOT go blind.

This doesn't make any sense.

ninjalostboy95 · 02-19-2011, 06:43 PM

@MrMadMadMan:Lay off the crack, Obito is dead, his right eye was crushed and a crushed sharingan is useless as shown when Tobi attempted to retrieve Shisui's eye and Danzo crushed it. When Tobi found out he crushed it, Tobi pretty much said "Fuck you, ='(." I got a question for you though, why is it that Tobi must be using a mangekyo sharingan to perform his time-space warp jutsu? Couldn't it be his regular sharingan? Think about it, we never saw him use a MS and every time we have a close up view on his eye, he has a three tomoe sharingan unless, of course, you're saying he turns it on then off for fun, which I highly doubt. Also, Kamui and Yondaime's jutsu(S/T barrier he used to teleport Kyuubi's blast away from Konoha) are basically the same, they teleport an object to somewhere else and we know Yondaime doesn't have a sharingan. It isn't impossible to say that Tobi is using a regular sharingan for his S/T jutsu if the Yondaime can do something similar to Kamui without a sharingan.

ask me anything · 02-19-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMadMadMan

Well the reason i think Tobi is Obito (in body at least) is because as far as we know every sharingan doujutsu (eye-technique) varies from person to person. for example Itachi could cast Amaterasu/Susano and the only reason Sasuke can do so aswell is because he recieved the powers directly from his brother Itachi.

Kakashi and Tobi's doujutsu both mess with space-time. While Tobi can travel back and forth, Kakashi is only able to put things into it, ex. Deidara's arm. Do you think is a coincidence that both Kakashi and Tobi's doujutsus are so similar?. If you have read the whole manga as of today, you should know that Tobi had in fact 2 sharingan's and the way i see it he could have taken it from any other Uchiha since at the time Obito died(?), the Uchiha clan wasn't killed by Itachi yet. And what even a bigger coincidence is that he used Izanagi with his left eye in order to preserve the original, the right one capable of doing the space-time jutsus, because surely the sharingan he took was weak compared to the original.

Note: To avoid confusion im not saying that Tobi is not Madara, im saying that at least physically speaking Tobi is Obito, he could still be Madara in his mind/alt personality or something, which can only explain why he has so much knowledge on history, unless every Uchiha was taught the same from the fight of the first and Madara onwards.

Note 2: If Tobi was in fact Madara what would be the point of hiding his face with a mask? because he is fugly and/or have a lot of wrinkles? Highly doubtable...

PS. I read the rules already and i know about the:
"No Tobi=Obito threads.
THE ONLY TOBI THREAD IS THIS ONE:
http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=30762"
but the link is not working, so i can't post this.

It's getting hard to tell if this is trolling or you actually believe this shit. Alas, once were the days when this would be clear to me, but the sudden influx of dumb-asses to these forums has blurred my vision.

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Originally Posted by Numinous

Kakashi never used Katon as far as we know...

YES HE HAS...in the anime

/runs away quickly

Numinous · 02-19-2011, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

YES HE HAS...in the anime

/runs away quickly

Oh yeah, and the anime had Naruto pissing on Ino, and we all know that Naruto doing something that has even the faintest of the hints of heterosexuality is crazy talk. lol @ anime.

02-19-2011, 01:55 PM	#1
MrMadMadMan Academy Student Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Why i think Tobi/Madara is Obito... Well the reason i think Tobi is Obito (in body at least) is because as far as we know every sharingan doujutsu (eye-technique) varies from person to person. for example Itachi could cast Amaterasu/Susano and the only reason Sasuke can do so aswell is because he recieved the powers directly from his brother Itachi. Kakashi and Tobi's doujutsu both mess with space-time. While Tobi can travel back and forth, Kakashi is only able to put things into it, ex. Deidara's arm. Do you think is a coincidence that both Kakashi and Tobi's doujutsus are so similar?. If you have read the whole manga as of today, you should know that Tobi had in fact 2 sharingan's and the way i see it he could have taken it from any other Uchiha since at the time Obito died(?), the Uchiha clan wasn't killed by Itachi yet. And what even a bigger coincidence is that he used Izanagi with his left eye in order to preserve the original, the right one capable of doing the space-time jutsus, because surely the sharingan he took was weak compared to the original. Note: To avoid confusion im not saying that Tobi is not Madara, im saying that at least physically speaking Tobi is Obito, he could still be Madara in his mind/alt personality or something, which can only explain why he has so much knowledge on history, unless every Uchiha was taught the same from the fight of the first and Madara onwards. Note 2: If Tobi was in fact Madara what would be the point of hiding his face with a mask? because he is fugly and/or have a lot of wrinkles? Highly doubtable... PS. I read the rules already and i know about the: "No Tobi=Obito threads. THE ONLY TOBI THREAD IS THIS ONE: http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=30762" but the link is not working, so i can't post this. Last edited by MrMadMadMan; 02-19-2011 at 02:15 PM.

02-19-2011, 02:23 PM	#4
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02-19-2011, 04:26 PM	#8
jericho Uzimaki ANBU Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 1,619 Thanks: 1,896 Thanked 1,559 Times in 504 Posts	Re: Why i think Tobi/Madara is Obito... Wait that is a good question why can't Kakashi use the black flames? Training has noting to do with it, it's an automatic upgrade. Besides he does use fire jutsu as well anyway, just not recently.eye intact. Oh and why MUST it be Obito couldn't his father or older brother have similar eye jutsu? Oh and the reason he used the left probably is to keep the hax jutsu. ALSO why we never see it MS. He prob goes MS a second before he uses it then off right after. as so to NOT go blind.(that is IF he ISN'T Madara,cause Madara has EMS) In conclusion, I really don't think it IS Madara cause IF it was then right after he made his presence known he would have unmasked from THAT point on. It is someone that isn't as powerful offensively as his peers, that is why he has SO many Sharinghans, and wants Sasuke to go EMS. He took one RG from Nagato and when Sasuke rise he will take his EMS. __________________ Gamble Joshua the Rogue Transformers:Generations For NaruHina fans First Orange knuckle head ninja The Question

02-19-2011, 06:43 PM	#13
ninjalostboy95 Osu! = the best game ever Join Date: May 2010 Location: NY, Far Rockaway(currently) Age: 17 Posts: 5,779 Thanks: 8,240 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,797 Posts	Re: Why i think Tobi/Madara is Obito... @MrMadMadMan:Lay off the crack, Obito is dead, his right eye was crushed and a crushed sharingan is useless as shown when Tobi attempted to retrieve Shisui's eye and Danzo crushed it. When Tobi found out he crushed it, Tobi pretty much said "Fuck you, ='(." I got a question for you though, why is it that Tobi must be using a mangekyo sharingan to perform his time-space warp jutsu? Couldn't it be his regular sharingan? Think about it, we never saw him use a MS and every time we have a close up view on his eye, he has a three tomoe sharingan unless, of course, you're saying he turns it on then off for fun, which I highly doubt. Also, Kamui and Yondaime's jutsu(S/T barrier he used to teleport Kyuubi's blast away from Konoha) are basically the same, they teleport an object to somewhere else and we know Yondaime doesn't have a sharingan. It isn't impossible to say that Tobi is using a regular sharingan for his S/T jutsu if the Yondaime can do something similar to Kamui without a sharingan.

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