A word from Kishi - Page 15

Nerox · 03-03-2011, 12:07 AM

Even the president is still a human. Theoretically, you could replace him with another human anytime. But since we have institutionalised our society, the head of it, would be considered "more worth" than others.

Also, since the president in any normal, democratic nation, is supposed to stand in for what the people want, he should be considered human with an equal worth like any other.

ask me anything · 03-03-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjalostboy95

There's nothing saying that any human is greater than or less than any other human too so if you want to use "It's debatable" then just know that there aren't any form of evidence supporting your claim. A person may be better at doing something, for example, Parkour(Did I spell it right?) I want to try it even though I know I'll suck so practically everyone is better than me at it but that doesn't mean they are a better human.

Ok then. A guy researching a cure for diabetes that will effect millions of lives in a positive way vs. a homeless guy. Do they have equal value? It's a rhetorical question BTW, since obviously they don't.

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I'm not here to figure out his meaning in these posts, I don't even know the guy. He has a reason for doing this and he obviously thought it was good, so he's acting on it. His reason could be as shitty as "Lol lulz" but it's still a reason.

Then I stand by my original statement. This guy is a dumbass, since doing shit for the lulz is the same thing every other dumbass that has every strolled upon the internet have used to justify their actions. Not that there's anything wrong with lulz. Far from it. A little levity from time to time does everyone some good. It's just that if that's all your after, then your life is shallow and meaningless.

Vanity · 03-03-2011, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ask me anything

Ok then. A guy researching a cure for diabetes that will effect millions of lives in a positive way vs. a homeless guy. Do they have equal value? It's a rhetorical question BTW, since obviously they don't.

He said better human. Not equal. Try again.

ask me anything · 03-03-2011, 12:41 AM

If there are not equal in value then one must be better then the other. Duh.

Vanity · 03-03-2011, 01:17 AM

Yeah, no.

kluang · 03-03-2011, 01:51 AM

You want to be a better human?

Have a great character.

Character is the society evaluation of a person's moral and mental qualities. The evaluation is base of their virtue, fortitude, courage, loyalty, honesty, or piety.

Knowledge will give you power, but character, respect

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-03-2011, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ninjalostboy95

ROFLMAO. Oh man, you made my day.

You're welcome (:

Shrike · 03-03-2011, 05:38 AM

Just to be clear here, what does 'better human' even means by your definition, nlb?

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Originally Posted by Vanity

Yeah, no.

Please explain.

ACt · 03-03-2011, 08:06 AM

Cure diabetes? We did that. They are called insulin injections (for type I, anyway). The only true step up is regenerating islet cells... which is a long way off, yet. (And just to be thorough, Type II can be avoided even if you are genetically predisposed if you eat healthy, watch your weight and exercise. I see no reason to try and make it easier to avoid because people should do that anyway.)

As for "worth" of a human, I draw parallel to diamonds. Diamonds are truly valuable because they are shiny. Human worth is equally tied to perception and reaction. If the President of the USofA was killed, stock markets would crash and chaos would consume the US. Is that because he's truly worth more than anyone else? Not really - he's the same sack of fluids we all are and there are still a lot of people in position to keep the country and government running. Therefore, the economic and social problems that are derived from the assassination are largely trumped up by human perception rather than anything real. The President is more valuable because people believe him to be so, rather than that he is.

This means that human worth is what you think it is. Which is going to make it really hard to argue further. I like to argue on the side of genetics being measures of worth, as there are clearly genetic defects that weaken the population, but even then, nature carries on even if some of the best genes drop out (even survival of the best fit doesn't always work out in the realm of evolution). We are a part of a system and not individually necessary.

Shrike · 03-03-2011, 09:27 AM

How about if somebody was to do something creative and push the society forward, and somebody else was a murderer. Is there anything about perception in there? I would easily say no.
Usually, masses are dumb. Logically, there are people who are worth more then others. Doesn't mean they are more human, they are just better. Just like one lion is stronger then the other.

kluang · 03-03-2011, 10:04 AM

Human are smart.

People are dumb.

I believe character is what make people worth more or not. Because character is what he is. Not what people say he is. That is reputation. And reputation is easily destroyed compare to a character.

Because character is what you wrote on people's heart. Not what people wrote on your marble.

**Mal** · 03-03-2011, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrike

How about if somebody was to do something creative and push the society forward, and somebody else was a murderer.

They could be the same person.

Shrike · 03-03-2011, 03:40 PM

Hardly. But not impossible.

stubborn_d0nkey · 03-03-2011, 05:05 PM

they're called vigilantes

**Mal** · 03-03-2011, 05:17 PM

Not necessarily. It is entirely possible for someone to have the goal of bettering society by way of killing select people without those people having committed any actual crimes.

03-03-2011, 12:07 AM	#211
Nerox Mah'alleinir Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Golden Hall Posts: 743 Thanks: 2,254 Thanked 2,671 Times in 1,262 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi Even the president is still a human. Theoretically, you could replace him with another human anytime. But since we have institutionalised our society, the head of it, would be considered "more worth" than others. Also, since the president in any normal, democratic nation, is supposed to stand in for what the people want, he should be considered human with an equal worth like any other.

03-03-2011, 12:41 AM	#214
ask me anything Simply AMAzing Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Impel Down Posts: 3,051 Thanks: 8,812 Thanked 3,361 Times in 1,497 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi If there are not equal in value then one must be better then the other. Duh. __________________

03-03-2011, 01:17 AM	#215
Vanity Succumb Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 976 Thanks: 3,432 Thanked 5,983 Times in 2,238 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi Yeah, no. __________________ My nerves are bad to-night. Yes, bad. Stay with me. Speak to me. Why do you never speak? Speak. What are you thinking of? What thinking? What? I never know what you are thinking. Think.

03-03-2011, 01:51 AM	#216
kluang One Punch Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,418 Thanks: 3,186 Thanked 4,659 Times in 2,099 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi You want to be a better human? Have a great character. Character is the society evaluation of a person's moral and mental qualities. The evaluation is base of their virtue, fortitude, courage, loyalty, honesty, or piety. Knowledge will give you power, but character, respect __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality.

03-03-2011, 08:06 AM	#219
ACt Heart Wizard Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Halls of Irreverence Posts: 3,249 Thanks: 5,321 Thanked 18,675 Times in 4,842 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi Cure diabetes? We did that. They are called insulin injections (for type I, anyway). The only true step up is regenerating islet cells... which is a long way off, yet. (And just to be thorough, Type II can be avoided even if you are genetically predisposed if you eat healthy, watch your weight and exercise. I see no reason to try and make it easier to avoid because people should do that anyway.) As for "worth" of a human, I draw parallel to diamonds. Diamonds are truly valuable because they are shiny. Human worth is equally tied to perception and reaction. If the President of the USofA was killed, stock markets would crash and chaos would consume the US. Is that because he's truly worth more than anyone else? Not really - he's the same sack of fluids we all are and there are still a lot of people in position to keep the country and government running. Therefore, the economic and social problems that are derived from the assassination are largely trumped up by human perception rather than anything real. The President is more valuable because people believe him to be so, rather than that he is. This means that human worth is what you think it is. Which is going to make it really hard to argue further. I like to argue on the side of genetics being measures of worth, as there are clearly genetic defects that weaken the population, but even then, nature carries on even if some of the best genes drop out (even survival of the best fit doesn't always work out in the realm of evolution). We are a part of a system and not individually necessary.

03-03-2011, 09:27 AM	#220
Shrike █▄ █▄█ █▄ ▀█▄ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Silent Hill Posts: 5,159 Thanks: 7,863 Thanked 9,854 Times in 2,942 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi How about if somebody was to do something creative and push the society forward, and somebody else was a murderer. Is there anything about perception in there? I would easily say no. Usually, masses are dumb. Logically, there are people who are worth more then others. Doesn't mean they are more human, they are just better. Just like one lion is stronger then the other.

03-03-2011, 10:04 AM	#221
kluang One Punch Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,418 Thanks: 3,186 Thanked 4,659 Times in 2,099 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi Human are smart. People are dumb. I believe character is what make people worth more or not. Because character is what he is. Not what people say he is. That is reputation. And reputation is easily destroyed compare to a character. Because character is what you wrote on people's heart. Not what people wrote on your marble. __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality.

03-03-2011, 03:40 PM	#223
Shrike █▄ █▄█ █▄ ▀█▄ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Silent Hill Posts: 5,159 Thanks: 7,863 Thanked 9,854 Times in 2,942 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi Hardly. But not impossible.

03-03-2011, 05:17 PM	#225
Mal Scotch Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,101 Thanks: 12,849 Thanked 10,820 Times in 3,840 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi Not necessarily. It is entirely possible for someone to have the goal of bettering society by way of killing select people without those people having committed any actual crimes.

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