A word from Kishi - Page 22

**Mal** · 03-04-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerNN

Mal, you must have misunderstood what I wrote, because you argued the exact same point against me that I argued for. Which I don't understand. I said everything was opinionated, then you said to me everything is opinionated. I said that it doesn't matter who died between the child and the old man because they both could have contributed something, you basically said the same thing.

Edit: And yes, I do believe my life holds as much "value" as that murderer, since we are both humans.

I realized halfway through that you know value is a perception, but I didn't feel like rewording the first half of my post because my response was still accurate to your statement. Specifically, I was responding to "You guys are looking at this from an opinionated and moral/ethic standpoint." To me, that read as though you were saying there was something wrong with that viewpoint.

Please tell me what definition of "value" you are using. Is it the same one you posted, "relative worth, merit, or importance?" Relativity is key here. Relative to the universe, you are correct to say two lives have the same value. However, we don't care about the universe, we care about society, and relative to society your life and the life of a murderer have vastly different value.

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Originally Posted by KillerNN

The only thing you said different was your scenario with Ashley Williams, but her life is still doesn't hold any more value than another human being's in that group at all. She might be a move valuable asset to the group though.
Were you reading both sides of the argument?

See, you understand perfectly the actual value of human life (Ash's life holds no more value than any other life) but you don't understand where the opinion comes in. Ash's life has no greater value on its own, but the other members of the group assign a great value to it because he's a zombie slaughtering machine, and the member most capable of achieving the group goal of survival. (See reason two of my response to ACt)

Kina · 03-04-2011, 07:02 PM

This is my BOOM-STICK.

Shrike · 03-04-2011, 07:10 PM

Oh goddamn, I am really lazy to go back and quote you all, and there would be no real point, since I agree with most of the things you guys said. As usual.

But ASH! <333 Man, I love ED. The game was cool too.

KillerNN · 03-04-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mal

I realized halfway through that you know value is a perception, but I didn't feel like rewording the first half of my post because my response was still accurate to your statement. Specifically, I was responding to "You guys are looking at this from an opinionated and moral/ethic standpoint." To me, that read as though you were saying there was something wrong with that viewpoint.

Please tell me what definition of "value" you are using. Is it the same one you posted, "relative worth, merit, or importance?" Relativity is key here. Relative to the universe, you are correct to say two lives have the same value. However, we don't care about the universe, we care about society, and relative to society your life and the life of a murderer have vastly different value.

See, you understand perfectly the actual value of human life (Ash's life holds no more value than any other life) but you don't understand where the opinion comes in. Ash's life has no greater value on its own, but the other members of the group assign a great value to it because he's a zombie slaughtering machine, and the member most capable of achieving the group goal of survival. (See reason two of my response to ACt)

Ahh, I see.
And I totally thought you were referring to Ashley Williams in Mass Effect, my mistake!
I also agree that in a society, a life can hold more "value" - but I am using a broader scale. Animefan is talking about in general.

**Mal** · 03-04-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerNN

Ahh, I see.
And I totally thought you were referring to Ashley Williams in Mass Effect, my mistake!
I also agree that in a society, a life can hold more "value" - but I am using a broader scale. Animefan is talking about in general.

What is the difference between a "broader scale" and "in general?"

KillerNN · 03-04-2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mal

What is the difference between a "broader scale" and "in general?"

There isn't. You are viewing this on a "society" level scale, and I was basically saying me and AF are talking about a "broader scale" or in general.

Vanity · 03-04-2011, 11:33 PM

How do you get "broader" than a society? Bushels of societies? The globe???

AniMeFaN · 03-04-2011, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanity

How do you get "broader" than a society? Bushels of societies? The globe???

the universe, but if hes basing it on that then we dont just have equal value to each other, we have no value due to being insignificant and one person would be as valueable as 10. i think us being insignificant to it and having no value shows maybe its not the right scale to be using. its not relevant to us. our scale on earth is relevant to us and gives us value, we dont even know everything baout the universe, we shouldnt be basing it on a scale that we got from something we dont even know everything about.

edit: i posted in the sports center, check it out

kluang · 03-05-2011, 12:32 AM

ice cream consumption is the leading cause of murders and other violent crimes

Vanity · 03-05-2011, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AniMeFaN

the universe, but if hes basing it on that then we dont just have equal value to each other, we have no value due to being insignificant and one person would be as valueable as 10. i think us being insignificant to it and having no value shows maybe its not the right scale to be using. its not relevant to us. our scale on earth is relevant to us and gives us value, we dont even know everything baout the universe, we shouldnt be basing it on a scale that we got from something we dont even know everything about.

edit: i posted in the sports center, check it out

Your rambling after that aside, you think?. We were talking about social and individual perceptions for the most part during the discussion, hence my comment. "In general" doesn't really encompass the universe, usually =/

kluang · 03-05-2011, 01:34 AM

are we still discussing human worth?

Vanity · 03-05-2011, 01:39 AM

I don't think so. I think Veng and Kael pretty much killed it.

That or picturing UT on acid.

Nerox · 03-05-2011, 01:52 AM

Just finished an 12 hour Axis & Allies session. Sadly the Allies won, and again, like in history, Canada was the defining coefficient...So Vengeance on Silverblade-trip, UT on acid, what else?

kluang · 03-05-2011, 01:58 AM

writing my fic. slowly

kluang · 03-05-2011, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanity

I don't think so. I think Veng and Kael pretty much killed it.

That or picturing UT on acid.

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03-04-2011, 07:02 PM	#317
Kina Star-Stuff Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: You do not matter. None of us do. Age: 21 Posts: 3,433 Thanks: 755 Thanked 1,181 Times in 646 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi This is my BOOM-STICK. __________________ Luck is a skill. <Jonathan3 Don't hate on Rival. When I wake on the last day of my life, I want to face it without regret.

03-04-2011, 07:10 PM	#318
Shrike █▄ █▄█ █▄ ▀█▄ Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Silent Hill Posts: 5,159 Thanks: 7,864 Thanked 9,855 Times in 2,942 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi Oh goddamn, I am really lazy to go back and quote you all, and there would be no real point, since I agree with most of the things you guys said. As usual. But ASH! <333 Man, I love ED. The game was cool too.

03-04-2011, 11:33 PM	#322
Vanity Succumb Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 976 Thanks: 3,432 Thanked 5,983 Times in 2,238 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi How do you get "broader" than a society? Bushels of societies? The globe??? __________________ My nerves are bad to-night. Yes, bad. Stay with me. Speak to me. Why do you never speak? Speak. What are you thinking of? What thinking? What? I never know what you are thinking. Think.

03-05-2011, 12:32 AM	#324
kluang One Punch Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,418 Thanks: 3,186 Thanked 4,659 Times in 2,099 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi ice cream consumption is the leading cause of murders and other violent crimes __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality.

03-05-2011, 01:34 AM	#326
kluang One Punch Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,418 Thanks: 3,186 Thanked 4,659 Times in 2,099 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi are we still discussing human worth? __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality.

03-05-2011, 01:39 AM	#327
Vanity Succumb Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 976 Thanks: 3,432 Thanked 5,983 Times in 2,238 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi I don't think so. I think Veng and Kael pretty much killed it. That or picturing UT on acid. __________________ My nerves are bad to-night. Yes, bad. Stay with me. Speak to me. Why do you never speak? Speak. What are you thinking of? What thinking? What? I never know what you are thinking. Think.

03-05-2011, 01:52 AM	#328
Nerox Mah'alleinir Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Golden Hall Posts: 743 Thanks: 2,254 Thanked 2,671 Times in 1,262 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi Just finished an 12 hour Axis & Allies session. Sadly the Allies won, and again, like in history, Canada was the defining coefficient...So Vengeance on Silverblade-trip, UT on acid, what else?

03-05-2011, 01:58 AM	#329
kluang One Punch Man Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,418 Thanks: 3,186 Thanked 4,659 Times in 2,099 Posts	Re: A word from Kishi writing my fic. slowly __________________ To err is human, to forgive, divine. Humans aren't machines... they have souls, feelings. They live, they die, they love, they hate... And yes, they even make mistakes..... When kluang finds you creepy and wrong then you are beyond horrible. He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Being Malaysian is about driving in a German car to an Indian restaurant for an Indonesian food, then travelling home, grabbing a Pakistani kebab on the way, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. Because we have no originality.

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