NeoKakarott023

Because of sheer boredom and disappointment from current mangas (Bleach, Naruto), I went back from the beginning read the manga, and watched the animes. Got a fresh perspective and IMHO everything was going well UP UNTIL Aizen arrived with his crew. He never gave any indication that he knew his Hogukyu thingy would evolve, and he supposedly expected his Espada to win this mega battle. He had Wonderwiess set up for the ultimate attacks against him, and was set.

Now this is where shit gets confusing... with all of these 'aces in the whole', when nothing worked out for his side, its obvious that the Hogukyu thiny was working for those on Ichigo's side, and not working for his side, though he was the owner of said powerup. I understand (much more from viewing animes) that Aizen sent one Hogokyu thing inside of Rukia, whom I'm guessing (at least at this point) didn't know it was inside of her. He sent her and it specifcally to Ichigo because he was born special. The actual purpose for Aizen's doings was about to become apparent, but for all of the long winded say nothing while saying something speeches, he was interrupted to keep the plot confusing... okay.

But his actions of bringing all of these Arrancars dosen't make a lot of sense if he planned on the Hogukyu thingy joining with him. He commented early in his battle of using his 'base' shingami powers, without the use of his Zanpakto, and ASSRAPED EVERYONE IN HIS PATH. The Arrancar were in the way, did he not know his own strength? Then after everything we just walk through the gate to get souls in the SS? If is main goal is some legendary king, and squad zeros, why even fuck around with this stupid assed battle when he knew there were zero souls there?

Then after he 'morphs' and gets surprized by Gin, the flashback presents that Big Tits once had one inside her and it was taken? So Aizen had 2, after dismembering Gin, joined them together, got embarrased by Ichigo after morphing a couple more times. He then gets hit by a garbage tensho, and while recovering HE FUCKING GETS SEALED? AND SENT TO HELL BECAUSE HE'S IMMORTAL?

^The other stuff prior had problems, but this is where the manga gets fucked, with a not to bad storyline IMHO.

kael03

Where Kubo screwed Bleach was when he had Aizen "miraculously" return after Gin destroyed him on a cellular level. He trolled one of his best characters because he was fan wanking his own villain.

itachikillsnaruto

when he screwed bleach is when he lost his mind and were in his room.

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kael03

Good to see your break didn't dull your ability to contribute to conversations.

k-lai

To me Kubo screwed bleach by not revealing the captains bankai. That would have at least made a bit more worth while

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There's still plenty of time for Kubo to reveal them. He said he had 2 more arcs after the fake Karakura Town arc and a mini-bridge arc. I'm betting one of the next arcs is going to be another Turn Back the Pendulum arc involving Isshin, since Kubo has stated he wanted to do more with his background (that might be the mini-arc he mentioned).

k-lai

I know, t's just it would have more interesting to have them against the espada than any other foe cos as it stands right now we only have one bookworm on the loose...

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NeoKakarott023

But the cut away was so abrupt you don't know much thats going on but that Yama lived, but Foxy Capt, Gin, and Blind Fool were killed... bullshit, for all the hype that the old fucker got, and spoke to himself, he didn't even try as hard as these other people to fight, or to live, he fucking committed suicide. Hiyori gets fucking severed in half, and a way is created to bring her back by Unohana Donothingallthetime. The Capts' and Vizards status is unknown because Ichigo lost his powers.....wtf one might say because there have been arcs in which Ichigo had nothing to do with the goings on in the Soul Society, and we were still allowed to view life and events their. Now its like Ichigo's been on punishment and took us all with him, and basically we got sent back to the first 2 purple properties on the Monopoly boards, and got to work our way back up to like the yellows just to see the Soul Society again. Everything in bleach seems to be abrupt, and too quick, without a lot of thought or imagination.

kael03

To be fair, we don't know for certain that Komamura died. We saw him fall after having his arm cut off, and his chest sliced, but we also saw Aizen take out Toshiro, Soi Fon, Shunsui, and Shinji but left them alive with similar grievous injuries. Plus, we saw that Hinamori is still alive even after taking Toshiro's sword through her heart, Soi Fon stabbing her twice with Shikai, and Shunsui slashing her while Aizen had them fooled with his shikai.

But as you pointed out, he's still alive, albeit missing his arm (odd since they're doing organ regeneration on Hinamori)

And we still don't know how Unohana healed her, or if Hiyori even survived (Unohana said that she couldn't fully heal her and the rest was up to Hiyori).

Based on Ichigo hearing Rukia through the badge, and the rate this arc is going, we should see Soul Society again in about 100 chapters.

This. There are a lot of things Kubo just left out for no reason. We only know of 1 confirmed Vasto Lorde among the Espada, Halibel (she was confirmed in the databook). But based on the ranks being determined by strength, I'm guessing Stark, Yammy, and Barrigan were also Vasto Lordes, possibly even Nel.

We don't know how Yammy was taken out, aside from Kenpachi found the fight to be "fucking boring". But I'm betting it was Kenpachi that killed him based on the giant slash on Yammy's chest, Byakuya's bankai wouldn't make a single slash like that. I wouldn't be surprised if Kenpachi had learned the name of his sword, since we know he was talking to it before he fought Nnoitra, or that he had discovered Bankai by the same method as Ichigo and Urahara.

We don't know how Wonderwiess took out Kensei, or what his bankai does. There are still several captains that hinted at their bankai but have yet to show them (Shunsui was told to not show it where so many can see it). I know Kubo puts the plot second, but this is ridiculous.

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Kubo is a faggot, and a predictable one at that. If you think about it from a completely illogical point of view it makes perfect sense. >.>

Are you sure it was working against Aizen? How do you know Aizen didn't want people to think that? It's all part of his master plan don't you know.



What if the Arrancar were just for practice? We know the Vizards were considered "failed experiments" by him, but what's to say the Arrancar were any better? Did Aizen ever say "these guys are my ultimate creations".

The problem in our reasoning is we think they were his ultimate creation. As a result we see them as step 2 in a 2 part process, with the Vizards being step 1. By doing this we completely disregard the notion, that there might be a step 3 that has yet to be achieved, which might require practice with the other 2 steps first. To be clear here, the vizards were the result of adding hollow powers to shinigami, and the Arrancar were the opposite. What if there is a 3rd group of people that has yet to be seen? Kinda like these new guys (God I hope not) or (hopefully) those guys in hell.

Also consider that all the Arrancar (even the espada) were created before the Hogyoku was fully awakened. It's true Aizen temporarily awakened it while making them, but can we say for certain they would have been the exact same if they had been made if it were awakened in it's naturally state?
You can't discount the idea that it may be part of his plan. The question here is, could he have went to hell on his own if he wanted to, or is there a "special" means of getting there he doesn't have access to? IF Aizens plans up til now were to fully master the powers of the Hogyoku, and to make it to hell to recruit a strong enough force to fight against Squad Zero when he finally encounters them, then I'd say he's doing quite well. If he did manage to break out of hell in the future with his new gang, what's to stop him from destroying the town and making his Kings Key? Obviously, he proved he's capable of doing it, and the good guys aren't any stronger now then they were before, and nobody (not even Uruhura) suspects him to be up to anything.


This manga has had problems for about 200 chapters now. Nothing can fix it at this point, but maybe Kubo can let it have a respectable ending. If these recent chapters are any indication that doesn't appear to be the case though.



I for one think this manga is far closer to the end than you would suspect. Kubo said we had 2 more arcs, but were in one of them at the moment, and we don't know just how long these arcs will be. I'm predicting it ends around chapter 550.

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Not to get too off topic here, but Goddamn this shit.

To be more specific, I Clicked the "new post" tab a while ago, and at the top of the list the first 2 threads I saw where Tobi: a good guy, and Minato final villain. LOL @ some of the backassward (see what I did there) things people say around here....present company excluded of course.

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kael03

He called the Vizards wannabe Arrancar and laughed at the idea of them beating him if he has legit Arrancar obeying him. They may not be the "ultimate" creation, but they're better than the Vizards in terms of Aizen's creations.

As for the Fullbringers, I don't think they're the next step in whatever experiment Aizen was doing to create the Vizards and Arrancar. They said their abilities were similar to a Hollow's, and Aizen was trying to move beyond the realm of Hollow and Shinigami. They're a step backward if they're a part of his experiments.

The Special One

Aizen was probably the biggest part wrong with the manga, but there's a lot of structural problems as well.

Ichigo's Bankai is one problem that just throws off the balances of power between characters on a huge scale. Ichigo's Bankai is meant to make him extremely fast and give him physical feats far beyond expectations, at a cost. Problem here, is that we have Captains who haven't even released Bankai operating at a comparable level to Ichigo's Bankai, something that doesn't even make sense, considering it boosted Ichigo's physical talents way above Byakuya, yet Byakuya, Shunsui, Shinji, etc, can keep up physically with characters that requires Ichigo to go Bankai on yet they not? So now, Ichigo's Bankai is not an efficient piece to wield if it just brings him to the level of which Captains generally operate at prior to releasing.

Now, you have to hand Ichigo all these half-ass explained power-ups to make him a viable fighter because Kubo couldn't be consistent with powerlevels nor provide a catalyst for preserving the importance Ichigo's Bankai. Hell, make it a risk for Ichigo to use Bankai (like it was originally) and or impose a training regimen for him to improve his body's endurance. Make Ichigo's Base stronger, something progressive and understandable.

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Kinako

He is gonna screw Bleach when he reveals that Aizen got locked up on purpose so he could break out the criminals of whatever prison they locked him up at. "It was all a part of my plan" he would say it was. Then he would break into the Royal dimension or some bullshit like that. To me that sounds like Kubo's cracked-out logic and storytelling skill.

Dagoro

I have to disagree with your assessment here TSO.

Other captains keeping up with enemies in base is really not a proper way to gauge their speed against Ichigo's Bankai speed, because all fights had different dynamics and the Captains have more tools to work with than Ichigo.

The Captains can somewhat tweak the pace of the fight by using Kido and other abilities before busting out their big guns, while Ichigo has basically 1-2 skills so he has to work with that. There is also the fact that both of the espada Ichigo fought and defeated were physical powerhouses with ridiculous speed. Hell, Ichigo needed both his Bankai and hollowfication to keep up with them and in Ulquiorra's case that wasn't enough.

Based on feats what captains would have been able to compete with GJ and Ulquiorra on speed ? Very few, and some only by hype if you ask me.

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