The truth of Rikudous Legacy

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 04-03-2011, 03:03 AM

Ive mentioned it before in the "just a thought" thread, but Im just going to take it full scale....

We were told Rikudou gave had two sons to which he passed on his power...

The Elder born with the sages eyes and spiritual energy and the youngest with the sages physical energy and powerful body...http://www.mangareader.net/93-31099-...apter-462.html

And by Implication, the Rinnegan evolved into the sharingan.... However, that cant be the case!!!

While the elder son did inherit son eyes, it wasnt the sages..(look 51 seconds in at the elder sons eyes.. they it isnt the RG, but a pattern matching Tobi last mask shape..."no this isnt a anime screw up", the manga panel was just too small and low quality to tell the difference)
LOOK!51 seconds in....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu0SgHFCs4U

The elder son didnt in fact inherit the RG as believed so there was no evolution... The eyes became the SG due to the juubis Yin/Dark as well as RS's being split into that single being...

and the RG is most likely a mutation in which the yang/Light chakra from the sage and the juubi manifest in the eyes and become the RG...

Yes, Im Implying that the elder and youngest sons are just in fact the Sage! I believe he used Izanagis true power to split himself and the beasts and this depiction of the juubi Implies it as well.... The was no birth by Biological means through mating with a female... The brothers are the sages two halves taken apart by Izanagi to keep the power of Izanagi out of the wrong hands IMO...

We see a bijuu with the power of the RG and SGhttp://www.mangareader.net/93-35269-...apter-467.html
..., but the sage only used the RG and the uchiha can only use the SG...
why....

Ive already answered! The Juubi has a yin and yang... The RG comes from the yang/light half that give life and enegy.... giving life to dreams and illusions...

while the SG come from the Yin/dark that can use spiritual power to create form and shape from nothingness (which can be responsible for genjutsu), half of the juubi...

And just as RS, naruto now wields only the yang half of his bijuu and he also is granted this formhttp://www.mangareader.net/93-53820-...apter-499.html

RS formhttp://www.mangareader.net/93-35269-...apter-467.html

Im sure the biggest question Im going to be asked is "why did the sage split himself as well as the bijuu"...

Simply put, the sage is the only being compatible with the juubi and its power... So in order to keep the use of the juubi which grants God power to create and destroy w/e one pleases... the sage split himself so no descendants could be capable of using the full juubi, only its pieces.... thus never allowing the god power of true izanagi to fall into the wrong hands like madaras or kabutos...

Clearly thats why tobi is after the RS body and full being as well as the juubi.... because a RS body is the only way to control that massive power since its in the genetics of RS himself.... which is how any of his ancestors can control bijuu power through will like uchiha, senju, shinning ninja from cloud, yagura, KB.. ect ect...

This can also explain the dogma of the uchiha.....http://www.mangareader.net/93-31099-...apter-462.html
which is also spoken of by itachi as wellhttp://www.mangareader.net/93-391-14...apter-386.html
(note: already have a new theory about the EMS due to this new info...

why RS's halves always are attracted to each other to battle.... Opposites attract and its only natural the two halves are trying to recombine and battle is the closest to that beyond genetics and Izanagis itself.... The uchiha and senjus Fate and destiny is to fight until they are all gone or whole again IMO...

Numinous · 04-03-2011, 05:43 AM

Hummm...

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

While the elder son did inherit son eyes, it wasnt the sages..(look 51 seconds in at the elder sons eyes.. they it isnt the RG, but a pattern matching Tobi last mask shape..."no this isnt a anime screw up", the manga panel was just too small and low quality to tell the difference)
LOOK!51 seconds in....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu0SgHFCs4U

The elder son didnt in fact inherit the RG as believed

Actually, no one believed it was the RG because it was very clear in the manga as well. So this epiphany is kind of late. September of 2009--> April 2011 kind of late.

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so there was no evolution...

Hello, creationism!

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Yes, Im Implying that the elder and youngest sons are just in fact the Sage! I believe he used Izanagis true power to split himself and the beasts and this depiction of the juubi Implies it as well.... The was no birth by Biological means through mating with a female... The brothers are the sages two halves taken apart by Izanagi to keep the power of Izanagi out of the wrong hands IMO...

If that's so, why did the halves fight each other? That seems kind of retarded from the Rikudou Sennin. I think I'll leave this one to Occam's Razor and say there was a female and the brothers are indeed sons of the Rikudou, not him going to a conveniently memory-erasing mitosis.

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why RS's halves always are attracted to each other to battle.... Opposites attract and its only natural the two halves are trying to recombine and battle is the closest to that beyond genetics and Izanagis itself.... The uchiha and senjus Fate and destiny is to fight until they are all gone or whole again IMO...

Screw Abel & Cain symbolism, I have a theory!!! But you have a point on the bolded, this manga reeks so much of SasuNaru it's basically canon.

This theory isn't bad, but again, do more proper research and think of the whole plot when presenting a point.

krurk · 04-03-2011, 05:53 AM

I guess its an alright theory, but I mean, does it really matter anyway?

superninja · 04-03-2011, 06:10 AM

I think it's an interesting theory, but personally I would prefer it if rikudos sons were just normal sons and not created solely by him. I think that would make rikudo overpowered and it somehow doesn't seem natural. But it is an interesting line of thinking.

stubborn_d0nkey · 04-03-2011, 07:28 AM

I gave you the benefit of the doubt, however I stopped reading after you included anime in your post

Gakure · 04-03-2011, 09:05 AM

Not bad. This RS might have been very powerful to be able to create humans, and Life as that.

Me also got a theory, those two sons were just his disciples (not biologically or izanagilly related) that the RS divided his powers to. Too farfetched.

Vengeance · 04-03-2011, 02:26 PM

This thread isn't really relevant to anything. I just skimmed the thread but I just gotta ask wasn't the RS shown on his death bed with his two sons? If the RS did in fact split himself in two then how could he continue to exist while his two sons are alive? How could the RS choose a successor if by the time the sons emerged the RS would no longer exist? How is it that these two boys grew personalities through life experience which ultimitely was the deciding factor of who would become the new "King"?

See what I did there?

Numinous · 04-03-2011, 02:37 PM

^ Memory-erasing mitosis and astral projections explain everything! We're just too blind to the obvious because we're haterz!!!

Vengeance · 04-03-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Numinous

^ Memory-erasing mitosis and astral projections explain everything! We're just too blind to the obvious because we're haterz!!!

LMAO ether way it's something that doesn't even matter to begin with since Rikkudo Gaiden most likely will never happen.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 04-03-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Numinous

Hummm...

Actually, no one believed it was the RG because it was very clear in the manga as well. So this epiphany is kind of late. September of 2009--> April 2011 kind of late.

Seriously? Whos this "No one"??? U need to post some evidence of ur claim cause personally I never a saw a discussion about the elder sons eyes or theyre difference....

and no u cant really tell until now that the anime gave a clear pic...

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Hello, creationism!

Give it up!!! Ive provided enough Evidence as to to why the RS would split and Izanagi is already cannon capable of doing it....

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If that's so, why did the halves fight each other? That seems kind of retarded from the Rikudou Sennin. I think I'll leave this one to Occam's Razor and say there was a female and the brothers are indeed sons of the Rikudou, not him going to a conveniently memory-erasing mitosis.

U just proved u didnt even read the end of my theory because I had that answered as well...

And no, a female has yet to play a role in a fight in this manga so far so ur way off dude....

As I said before, the halves fight because they are attracted to each other as opposites and by fighting, they are as close as becoming hole again as possible without genetics and Izanagi...

It makes perfect sense to all the fighting! To halves are destined to clash in order to try and reunite until theyre both gone or reunite...

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Screw Abel & Cain symbolism, I have a theory!!! But you have a point on the bolded, this manga reeks so much of SasuNaru it's basically canon.

This theory isn't bad, but again, do more proper research and think of the whole plot when presenting a point.

What do u mean? I have though of the entire plot...

and I waited until there was sufficient evidence to show the plausibility of this theory. And the theory explains the chain of hate, what really happened with the sage and his sons while also debunked the use of the doujutsu through the juubi... what more do ya want.. Explain please...

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I gave you the benefit of the doubt, however I stopped reading after you included anime in your post

I explained I didnt have a good enough quality panel of to present in order to show my finding... Ive known about the swirling lines of the elder for a while now since I saw it blown up on another sight about six months ago...

I just needed the anime to show what I couldnt, but is canon (which I made clear) so all u did was prove u didnt read the theory, just skimed otherwise u wouldve known....

@Vengence:

True kishi showed RS by two men and called them sons through Tobis story, but also claimed the eldest received the sages eyes which he didnt so how credible is that panel when the dialog is contradicting itself in this here tobi story??

Point being its a tobi story and I shot down part of it by providing the proof the eldest didnt receive the sage s eyes, but something else...

And also, biggest question....
How in the hell and how likely is it that the two men would got just half of the sage abilities so perfectly through birth.. His sons shouldve taken on all or most of the sages abilities and strengths instead of receiving perfectly half....

Makes no sense without tampering for the sage to actually have his powers split in half.. one gaining his spiritual energy for giving form and shape to nothingness (Yin/dark chakra)
and the other receiving his powerful physical energy which comes from yang/light chakra which can give life to dreams and illusions... (u know the story) Both the two parts of Izanagi, perfectly... I call tampering through Izanagi since RS had the ability

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 04-03-2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vengeance

LMAO ether way it's something that doesn't even matter to begin with since Rikkudo Gaiden most likely will never happen.

It means everything! It means the RS's true power wont be resurrected through genetics due to the fact his power wasnt split through genetics, but Izanagi nin/genjutsu using the juubis power that had become his own...

Meaning the juubi cannot be used as a weapon by becoming its jink because RS is the only one and without him it wont work is my point...

Again, dont judge a theory u just skim through geez... Thats like skiming through a story and saying it wasnt good.. How would ya know if ya didnt even read the entire thing???

Numinous · 04-03-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

Seriously? Whos this "No one"??? U need to post some evidence of ur claim cause personally I never a saw a discussion about the elder sons eyes or theyre difference....

Hummm, I'm pretty sure I even made a joke about his eyes being very similar to the Al Bhed's. Sorry, but you're late on the party here. The elder son not having the Rinnegan KNOWN since September 2009, if you only caught it this month then you are oblivious.

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and no u cant really tell until now that the anime gave a clear pic...

@ bolded. Buy some glasses, Mr. Magoo. Although it's kind of blurry, the spiral pattern is very noticeable in the manga. Again, don't act like it's something new.

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Give it up!!! Ive provided enough Evidence as to to why the RS would split and Izanagi is already cannon capable of doing it....

Except the Sharingan can be an evolutionary product of the Rinnegan. Dominant/recessive genes would explain it better than your washed-up justification.

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U just proved u didnt even read the end of my theory because I had that answered as well...

Yes, but badly. The Rikudou Sennin was ALIVE at the time of the two sons, and if the two sons were in any case halves of the Rikudou Sennin, they'd KNOW such, therefore the struggle wouldn't exist. Your explanation is fine and dandy for later generations, but not for the first few.

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And no, a female has yet to play a role in a fight in this manga so far so ur way off dude....

Misogyny ahoy!

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What do u mean? I have though of the entire plot...

Except you completely forgot RS on his deathbed WITH the sons. See, you fail.

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and I waited until there was sufficient evidence to show the plausibility of this theory.

You presented NOTHING new for the probability. Unless you think you being a blind mole counts.

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And the theory explains the chain of hate,

Abel & Cain explains it much better,

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what more do ya want.. Explain please...

Logic and coherency.

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I explained I didnt have a good enough quality panel of to present in order to show my finding...

Again, get some glasses.

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Ive known about the swirling lines of the elder for a while now since I saw it blown up on another sight about six months ago...

Sight? Oh, you mean site... and why didn't you this by then? You'd be only 1 year late instead on 1 and an half.

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I just needed the anime to show what I couldnt,

I showed you with a quick 5 minute search. If you can't spend so little time for something so easy, you don't deserve to be a theorycrafter of any kind.

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but is canon (which I made clear) so all u did was prove u didnt read the theory,

Yes I did, and I said it wasn't bad. Just a few details are plain out stupid.

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just skimed otherwise u wouldve known....

My name's not KYF, you know...

Vengeance · 04-03-2011, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

@Vengence:

True kishi showed RS by two men and called them sons through Tobis story, but also claimed the eldest received the sages eyes which he didnt so how credible is that panel when the dialog is contradicting itself in this here tobi story??

Actually he did receive the Sages eye power which is why he was granted with the gift of a dojutsu. In order for Rinnegan to be achieved one must have both the power of the eyes & the power of the body.

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

Point being its a tobi story and I shot down part of it by providing the proof the eldest didnt receive the sage s eyes, but something else...

But he did receive the power of the eyes. The manga states it as such.

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

And also, biggest question....
How in the hell and how likely is it that the two men would got just half of the sage abilities so perfectly through birth.. His sons shouldve taken on all or most of the sages abilities and strengths instead of receiving perfectly half....

Wouldn't they be twins if they were created at the same time? I mean really now how is there an eldest in a situation where he splits himself in two? Really though the answer is fairly simple. Rikkudo simply did not pass down all of his abilities to each child when they were conceived.

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Originally Posted by Konnaha_yellow_flash

Makes no sense without tampering for the sage to actually have his powers split in half.. one gaining his spiritual energy for giving form and shape to nothingness (Yin/dark chakra)
and the other receiving his powerful physical energy which comes from yang/light chakra which can give life to dreams and illusions... (u know the story) Both the two parts of Izanagi, perfectly... I call tampering through Izanagi since RS had the ability

Actually it makes perfect sense if you consider the idea that they were actually conceived by natural methods(Boy meets girl, boy fucks girl, girl gets pregnant). Lets use Greek mythology as an example. When Demigods (Half Human Half God) are born they normally don't possess the full powers of a god. Same rule applies with the Rikkudo since his concubine was most likely a normal human female.

liondemon · 04-03-2011, 04:04 PM

I like the rest, but even the manga says that they were born with their powers. They passed on their dominant genes that they were born with. But i have had and seen more than a few debates with people that claimed the elder son was born with the Rinnegan. I knew I saw something in those eyes and I knew it wasnt the Rinnegan but it says they were born like that.

Konnaha_yellow_flash · 04-03-2011, 04:14 PM

[QUOTE=Numinous;1942184]

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Hummm, I'm pretty sure I even made a joke about his eyes being very similar to the Al Bhed's. Sorry, but you're late on the party here. The elder son not having the Rinnegan KNOWN since September 2009, if you only caught it this month then you are oblivious.

Yea, because U never mentioned a damn thing about it till now because u knew the whole time...

Meanwhile I found out about 6 months ago, but only because someone posted a clearer super sized enhanced version of the panel.. which is why I called out the Dizzygan lol... Becuase characters that get dizzy show the same eye pattern... I made fun of it, but had no way to show the full detail of the elders eyes and u didnt either so quit BSing....

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@ bolded. Buy some glasses, Mr. Magoo. Although it's kind of blurry, the spiral pattern is very noticeable in the manga. Again, don't act like it's something new.

Ur so full of crap its coming out ur ears numi... U cant show any evidence of ur foreknowledge of this before the anime or the posting of this thread so quit trying to sound like u knew the whole time because u clearly didnt.... Otherwise u wouldve mentioned the contradiction that he didnt get the sages eyes since all u do is find contradictions lol...

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Except the Sharingan can be an evolutionary product of the Rinnegan. Dominant/recessive genes would explain it better than your washed-up justification.

No it wouldnt!!! The SG and RG are two differerent kinds of power as shown here on the juubihttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...7/page014.html

The SG creates Illusion and has control over Time, space and even reality at its best.. that power is obviously that of Yin chakra... the drak half that helps create the real Izanagi giving shape and form to nothingness... aka.. a genjutsu buddy!

And the RG is a power that has high physical evergy (nagatos chakra level) and is able to only use ninjutsu, but among those ninjutsu is the ability to give life through life energy (this is pure life energy by the way, aka yang chakra since its able to give life to something dead as the description follows)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...9/page003.html

So, the SG has the power over yang chakra which allows for Illusions, giving shape and form to things and even power over T/S....

while the RG gives power of Yang chakra which gives physical energy and can give life to anything, even an illusion... but isnt capable of using Illusion which was made obvious by nagato Non use of genjutsu...

And thats how the manga shows ur wrong as usual... Ur ability to read this manga an deduce/comprehend it id rather lacking IMO... Probably due to ur disapproval of the manga which wont allow u to Honestly perceive the manga and what its trying to show...

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Yes, but badly. The Rikudou Sennin was ALIVE at the time of the two sons, and if the two sons were in any case halves of the Rikudou Sennin, they'd KNOW such, therefore the struggle wouldn't exist. Your explanation is fine and dandy for later generations, but not for the first few.

Again u claim Im wrong, but have no means to back up ur claim... Yes the manga shows the sage in the Room with two men supposed to be his boys, but the manga also said that the eldest gained the sages eyes which was a contradiction... and the fact that the two PERFECTLY gained a half of the sages powers which break down logically by the manga one with yin and one with yang chakra of the sage, but most likely the receiving of the juubis yin and yang powers as well since they would become one over time..

Explain how the boys perfectly gained the sages halves through mere birth??

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Misogyny ahoy!
Except you completely forgot RS on his deathbed WITH the sons. See, you fail.

See u fail to notice its credibility is shot once the contradiction of the sages eyes was mention meaning tobi wasnt being completely honest... Lol, I already shot this down, is this seriously all u have because veng brought it up?

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You presented NOTHING new for the probability. Unless you think you being a blind mole counts.

Abel & Cain explains it much better,

Now thats Projection!!! Ur clearly blinded to see anything I write due to some vague notion of a rival and thus set out to challenge and prove everything I do wrong lol....

and it would make since without the existence of Izanagi and the fact it started with the sages halves...

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Logic and coherency.
Again, get some glasses.
Sight? Oh, you mean site... and why didn't you this by then? You'd be only 1 year late instead on 1 and an half.

I showed you with a quick 5 minute search. If you can't spend so little time for something so easy, you don't deserve to be a theorycrafter of any kind.

Yea, ur full of shit and have no proof of ur claim!!! Just pretentious as usual!!

And no u didnt show me nothing pertaining to ur foreknowledge of the elders eyes not being like the sages...

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Yes I did, and I said it wasn't bad. Just a few details are plain out stupid.

My name's not KYF, you know...

Again u didnt explain because obviously u dont know what ur talking about as usual.. Just making claims wihtout anything to back them, then insult me to try and cover for ur lack of..... Pathetic!!!

04-03-2011, 05:53 AM	#3
krurk ANBU Join Date: Jul 2008 Age: 22 Posts: 1,533 Thanks: 76 Thanked 669 Times in 311 Posts	Re: The truth of Rikudous Legacy I guess its an alright theory, but I mean, does it really matter anyway?

04-03-2011, 06:10 AM	#4
superninja ANBU Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,841 Thanks: 190 Thanked 691 Times in 554 Posts	Re: The truth of Rikudous Legacy I think it's an interesting theory, but personally I would prefer it if rikudos sons were just normal sons and not created solely by him. I think that would make rikudo overpowered and it somehow doesn't seem natural. But it is an interesting line of thinking. __________________ The great off panel war has begun...also called the war of one panel because most fights started and ended in one panel. Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

04-03-2011, 09:05 AM	#6
Gakure JESUS LOVES YOU Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The New World Posts: 2,439 Thanks: 1,602 Thanked 962 Times in 552 Posts	Re: The truth of Rikudous Legacy Not bad. This RS might have been very powerful to be able to create humans, and Life as that. Me also got a theory, those two sons were just his disciples (not biologically or izanagilly related) that the RS divided his powers to. Too farfetched. __________________ HELL IS REAL Audio Text More SALVATION PRAYER O Lord God, I come to You in the Name of Jesus Christ. Your Word says, "...whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Acts 2:21). I ask Jesus to come into my heart to be the Lord of my life. I receive eternal life into my spirit and according to Romans 10:9, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved," I declare that I am saved; I am born-again; I am a child of God! I now have Christ dwelling in me, and greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world (1 John 4:4)! I now walk in the consciousness of my new life in Christ Jesus. Hallelujah!" BEST DECISION EVER!!! Jesus Loves You!!! He Always Has. He Always WIll

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