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Old 05-11-2011, 07:09 PM   #106
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Gee... I thought the relationship between Naruto and the Kyuubi was demonstrated right after he had his heart to heart about how mom and dad met and died then without any effort, bitchsmacked the kyuubi around and TOOK HIS POWERS AWAY FROM HIM!

Conveniently forget about that trash, have we?

EDIT: And I'd like to add that Vengeance has been pretty much spot on with what is glaringly obvious; Naruto is truly clueless when it comes to Sasuke. Despite everyone telling him that Sasuke has been consumed by darkness and hatred, he refuses to give up, despite the fact that they have had a terrible friendship since the beginning. The simple fact that Sasuke called Naruto his greatest friend at VotE demonstrates how unhinged Sasuke has become from all society and truly is beyond true saving. I thought it had come about after the Danzo fight that Naruto would see the madness and hatred within Sasuke, yet he continues to want to save rather that stop or kill Sasuke. He's willing to die for a guy who barely acknowledged him ever, when everyone else thinks he's pretty strong and noteworthy now.

Consider the initial theme was to be a great and powerful ninja, greater than the Hokage, this flashback has redefined Naruto's lifelong dream as being about Sasuke, not about being acknowledged through hard work (which was also betrayed by Naruto being son of the fourth and the mythically powerful Uzimaki).
" Naruto is truly clueless when it comes to Sasuke. Despite everyone telling him that Sasuke has been consumed by darkness and hatred, he refuses to give up."

Naruto is clueless? Ya fucking right bro he knows how far sasuke has sunken after the whole him attempting to murder sakura event you dont remember that? He is not trying to save their friendship but end sasukes hatred he does not plan for them to go back to being TEAM 7 ever again he already told sasuke that next time they will talk with their fists.
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It seems Kishi reads the forums. This chapter practically paralleled the argument we had on Naruto's goal of redeeming Sasuke. I think it's good that he's sticking to his guns and further establishing how he plans to resolve this conflict between them. Naruto (the manga) has never been about the "realistic" perspective, but rather forcing the concept that idealistic goals can become reality onto the jaded. Abandoning this now would be pretty stupid on his part.

I don't believe the Kyubi's actions were always out of character at all. He's always had the upper-hand in their relationship. Naruto would have to come to him for power and he could slip his influence in with it because his upbringing gave the opportunity for Kyubi to establish a true foothold. Since Naruto no longer has to ask permission and erased the darkness in heart, it was trying to create doubt and weaken him. Also, I wasn't under the impression the thing came like a pet or Naruto willed it closer, but rather it was curious since Naruto actually walked inside its bars.

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It does show one thing... Sasuke never was 'like a brother' to Naruto in Sasukes mind. At best the clown was cool, and somebody who had his back vs. Haku, so he looked to pay him back whenever necessary until he left. Sasuke only showed true feelings in the whole manga for 2 people Itachi, and his Mother.
It doesn't show this at all. Neither of them were like a brother to each other at this point. It was the battle with Zabuza and Haku that finally helped them bond. Prior to that, Naruto mostly looked at Sasuke as something he could use to make himself credible and respected at his expense and Sasuke viewed him as an irksome person who talked a lot, but couldn't back it up. Sasuke didn't just have his back, but almost died in an attempt to save him. This was much more noticeable during the Chunin Exams, where they both demonstrated respect for each other.
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Old 05-11-2011, 07:29 PM   #111
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Hey, kid. Read what ACT wrote. This isn't hard shit to understand. Are the majority of people that criticize naruto mango stupid people to you? Do they really, honestly seem like they're unintelligent? Do they seem like they're driven solely by some burning hatred of some stupid comic?

Or do they usually give reasonable, rational reasons as to why they feel the way they feel? If need be, aren't they able to make a rational argument justifying their stances?

Seriously, I have never seen anyone say "Naruto sucks because it is garbage and I hate it." Have you? Is that the norm when it comes to the criticism on this site? Of course not. If it was, then I'd be totally agreeing with you.

Now, how about you and your buddy in this thread? Do you give well thought out, rational justifications for your love of naruto and each chapter? Or are your replies much more along the lines of "I love naruto, it's great. If you don't like it, why are you here, etc., etc."?


Just take a step back and think about this shit for a second. Who's really being stupid here? Who has really already made up their minds and are unwilling to budge?


Oh, and this chapter sucked balls.
Well I don't go around ranting and raving that naruto is the greatest manga ever...I love naruto...its great..etc. I give my opinion on every chapter of why I liked it or didn't like it and then move on. Overall I still think the manga is decent.

And I read ACT's comment..I simply replied with what people actually mean when they say that this forum is always negative towards naruto. I'm not bashing anyone's opinion. If you dislike a chapter or the whole manga then who am I to bash you for your opinion...but everything I said is still true. And yes you do see things such as this is a shit manga...kishi sucks..etc.

This chapter...I thought it was good..I liked the dialogue between naruto and the Nine Tails...and finally put the Fox in its place. It's about damn time. But I feel as I feel that the flashback was unneccessary....It just restated what we already knew...and it was a waste of time.

I won't sit here in type out a whole story about why I like naruto as a whole becasue I would have to go indepth and thats too much to cover. I will just continue to give my thoughts on each chapter as it comes.

And yes, there are very intelligent people on this forum...That come up with very good points that I actual enjoying reading....But sometimes the negativity gets to be a bit much. I'm not crying over it though...I honestly don't care. As long as I still like the manga, thats all that matters.

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Old 05-11-2011, 07:30 PM   #112
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Naruto is clueless? Ya fucking right bro he knows how far sasuke has sunken after the whole him attempting to murder sakura event you dont remember that?
He's not clueless in the sense that he doesn't know what Sasuke's up to, he's clueless in the sense he doesn't get Sasuke's psyche. He never did and it'll take a lot of work to get it in the future.
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He is not trying to save their friendship but end sasukes hatred
And why do you think he wants do end Sasuke's hatred? Because of his (elusive) friendship! That's so damn obvious!

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he does not plan for them to go back to being TEAM 7 ever again
Yes, he wants. Go back to IoP's aftermath, he specifically says so and even passed out when he learned about Sasuke's naughty businesses, because it'd fuck up his plans.

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he already told sasuke that next time they will talk with their fists.
And the meaning of that particular sentence flew right above your head. He now knows Sasuke isn't going to change by mere words, but by literally smacking some sense into him.

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Naruto (the manga) has never been about the "realistic" perspective, but rather forcing the concept that idealistic goals can become reality onto the jaded. Abandoning this now would be pretty stupid on his part.
@ bolded: and I already told you he can get rid off the unrealistic part of the aesop without abandoning said aesop, it just takes decent writing.
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Old 05-11-2011, 07:31 PM   #113
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I didnt see any of that this chapter naruto didnt say anything about sasuke the KYUBI brought that man up..
Remember how the Kyuubi can kindasorta read his fucking mind?
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@ bolded: and I already told you he can get rid off the unrealistic part of the aesop without abandoning said aesop, it just takes decent writing.
I disagree. It's far too ingrained into the manga. This is the one promise he's yet to complete.
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Remember how the Kyuubi can kindasorta read his fucking mind?
Oh of course naruto was thinking about sasuke at that moment how stupid of me... Kyubi jedi mind Haxx ftw!
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Old 05-11-2011, 07:49 PM   #116
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I disagree. It's far too ingrained into the manga. This is the one promise he's yet to complete.
I hope you know the difference between an aesop and plot devices. I know the aesop is too integrated in the manga, but Kishi could make Naruto realize he can't have the cake and eat it. He could still work on his goal of making the world better but acknowledging that, like every rose has its thorn, peace won't happen without conflicts and hatred will always survive.
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Oh of course naruto was thinking about sasuke at that moment how stupid of me... Kyubi jedi mind Haxx ftw!
Yep. Just like Bee can talk to his beast through mind contact. So there are two examples - do we need to keep going or are you going to accept empirical evidence?

Look, I will admit the structure of this chapter was far more in keeping with the original themes and ideas that Kishi had in Part I and early Part II. What kills this as a decent chapter was the rather out of character, desperate tone of the Kyuubi trying to entice Naruto to merge with him - he's far more evil than that and seems more like a beast that would bide its time rather than keep pleading, and the flash back became Naruto v Sasuke centric and explained an old idea that could/should have been dealt with earlier.

It is keeping with the problematic storytelling style Kishi has employed which has killed so much of the potential this manga had. This wasn't a terrible chapter, and if Kishi had been dealing better with the War and the themes he seems to want to address (sacrifice, war and bonds), I wouldn't have had a problem with it. So yeah, the chapter has merit in and of itself. But it is apart of a greater story which is sagging terribly under an ineffective narrative which, given what Kishi wrote in Part I, is unexplainable.
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Yep. Just like Bee can talk to his beast through mind contact. So there are two examples - do we need to keep going or are you going to accept empirical evidence?

Look, I will admit the structure of this chapter was far more in keeping with the original themes and ideas that Kishi had in Part I and early Part II. What kills this as a decent chapter was the rather out of character, desperate tone of the Kyuubi trying to entice Naruto to merge with him - he's far more evil than that and seems more like a beast that would bide its time rather than keep pleading, and the flash back became Naruto v Sasuke centric and explained an old idea that could/should have been dealt with earlier.

It is keeping with the problematic storytelling style Kishi has employed which has killed so much of the potential this manga had. This wasn't a terrible chapter, and if Kishi had been dealing better with the War and the themes he seems to want to address (sacrifice, war and bonds), I wouldn't have had a problem with it. So yeah, the chapter has merit in and of itself. But it is apart of a greater story which is sagging terribly under an ineffective narrative which, given what Kishi wrote in Part I, is unexplainable.
Just cause bee can talk to his bijuu does not mean that his bijuu can read his every fuckin thought get outta here with that BULLSHIT bro.. & even if it can happen that does not mean it did.

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And I read ACT's comment..I simply replied with what people actually mean when they say that this forum is always negative towards naruto. I'm not bashing anyone's opinion. If you dislike a chapter or the whole manga then who am I to bash you for your opinion...but everything I said is still true. And yes you do see things such as this is a shit manga...kishi sucks..etc.
Everything you said is still true? Uh, no.

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That's not the point...its always negative...Every single chapter. Its actually kind of depressing. It's like people come here just to bash naruto and of course its very biased because people have already made up their mind that they don't like naruto..it sucks..etc.
That's pretty much all wrong. I probably hate the mango more than most, but even I like some parts. I think Itachi was a cool character, Kisame death was okay, a decent amount of the shit in part one wasn't bad. Etc. It's not always negative. Just that a lot of the more recent happenings suck. You all know if I went back in time and made predictions about that one dude having an arm full of sharigan eyeballs, or naruto's mommy beating the fox thing for him as he talked about how hawt she is and shit, or naruto having panic attacks thinking about his boyfriend, etc. all the narutards would say all that shit is retarded and I'd be treated like goddamn KYF or that human resengan dude. But once that retarded shit is actually drawn by kishimoto-sama the hardcore lol-worthy narutards all act like that shit magically isn't lame as shit.

No one comes here solely to bash anything. And you're a dumbfuck if you think people are just being biased over just reading shit and finding it unsatisfactory for legit reasons they can fully justify and elaborate on if need be. If I clicked on this chapter and saw fucking kakashi swinging around that berserk sword like a badass, and naruto was all like "Yo, I have to stop being so gay for that dude I worked with for a few months when I was 12. Time to man up and stop being such a carebear. Yeah!" (or if he just died. Whatever.) I'd totally be like "Hey, this chapter wasn't that bad." I think most people would say something is good when it's actually good. That's the thing, it has to actually be good.

People say naruto sucks and the author sucks because naruto mango is pretty shitty and the author fucked a lot of shit up. Not because they simply hate it no matter what. If you say "I disagree, let's discuss this" most posters here will back that shit up. Can you honestly justify saying the mango is awesome? Only thing I've seen you post is some logical fallacy about lots of other people liking it.



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If there was nothing negative about the mango then there would be very little, if any, negativity.
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I already pointed that out in the 538 prediction thread, I guess you missed my post.

For this chapter... why? The only things it adds are chibi rookie nins and the stupid hand seals. Why Kishi bothered to waste an whole chapter on this, we may never know.
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