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Old 05-27-2011, 12:23 AM   #1
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Anatomy of zetsu?

Zetsu already been said to be made up of hashis cell in the white part, but what about the black part and the other abilities of zetsu and the tobi body?
At first I believed all of Tobis crazy abilities were due to his EMS power, but now that time has gone on it doesnt seem that way anymore.

Let me explain. Tobis ability to communicate through the ground with zetsu and sense where people are by means of the ground was thought to be believed a EMS jutsu until now. However, its not. And thats not a known ability of shodia (so far) so then who is the black zetsu half made from if hashi is the base for the white one?

Its herehttp://www.mangareader.net/93-46747-...apter-481.html
black zetsu touching the groundhttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/536/12
and tobi kneels down as if to sense where people and certain treasures are.http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/536/13

Yea, IMO shodais cells are the base for the white half while Nidaime is the base for the black half making the ultimate senju body. But, theyre appearance must mean theres at least one more shinobi in the mix. And with so much involvement with madara/tobi and the similar appearance I think its him.http://www.mangareader.net/93-56935-...apter-507.htmlYagura as the final shinobi in the mix is pure speculation based on the lack of evidence, but I cant really think of anyone else at the moment.

So yea, zetsu created from hashi, tobirama and yaguras cells... I guess using some kind of plant....

As far as jutsu go:

Tobirama can count as zetsu and tobis ability to communicate or sense others through the ground. And most controversial is the idea that since tobirama was an adept T/S jutsu user, Tobis ability to use a powerful T/S jutsu without it being MS or EMS could be the reason. Kakashi is able to use a powerful T/S with MS even though hes just a hatake, non-descendent of RS. However, with the power of two powerful senju theres no telling. Shisui was able to use a MS level genjutsu with a basic SG so tobi with the ultimate senju body using a Physical MS level jutsu isnt ridiculous.

Hashi can count for the zetsus ability to move through solid objects with earth style. Tobis ability to move through things and have people move through him could be a more powerful form of this earth jutsu. Simply decomposing himself to a gas like state of matter could be it..

As for the spore jutsu and perfect clones jutsu I cant put to either shinobi. They could be jutsu of hashis because we know so little about what he can do or even yaguras..!?!? We'll have to wait and find out.

Conclusion: With this theory it begs the question "if all of tobis abilities are attributed to his senju hybrid zetsu body then wheres madaras EMS eyes and if tobi is madara, why isnt he using them?"....
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Re: Anatomy of zetsu?

"tobi kneels down as if to sense where people and certain treasures are. http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/536/13 "

I think he's touching the ground to summon the statue, but it would be interesting.
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Re: Anatomy of zetsu?

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Zetsu already been said to be made up of hashis cell in the white part, but what about the black part and the other abilities of zetsu and the tobi body?
At first I believed all of Tobis crazy abilities were due to his EMS power, but now that time has gone on it doesnt seem that way anymore.

Let me explain. Tobis ability to communicate through the ground with zetsu and sense where people are by means of the ground was thought to be believed a EMS jutsu until now. However, its not. And thats not a known ability of shodia (so far) so then who is the black zetsu half made from if hashi is the base for the white one?

Its herehttp://www.mangareader.net/93-46747-...apter-481.html
black zetsu touching the groundhttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/536/12
and tobi kneels down as if to sense where people and certain treasures are.http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/536/13

Yea, IMO shodais cells are the base for the white half while Nidaime is the base for the black half making the ultimate senju body. But, theyre appearance must mean theres at least one more shinobi in the mix. And with so much involvement with madara/tobi and the similar appearance I think its him.http://www.mangareader.net/93-56935-...apter-507.htmlYagura as the final shinobi in the mix is pure speculation based on the lack of evidence, but I cant really think of anyone else at the moment.

So yea, zetsu created from hashi, tobirama and yaguras cells... I guess using some kind of plant....

As far as jutsu go:

Tobirama can count as zetsu and tobis ability to communicate or sense others through the ground. And most controversial is the idea that since tobirama was an adept T/S jutsu user, Tobis ability to use a powerful T/S jutsu without it being MS or EMS could be the reason. Kakashi is able to use a powerful T/S with MS even though hes just a hatake, non-descendent of RS. However, with the power of two powerful senju theres no telling. Shisui was able to use a MS level genjutsu with a basic SG so tobi with the ultimate senju body using a Physical MS level jutsu isnt ridiculous.

Hashi can count for the zetsus ability to move through solid objects with earth style. Tobis ability to move through things and have people move through him could be a more powerful form of this earth jutsu. Simply decomposing himself to a gas like state of matter could be it..

As for the spore jutsu and perfect clones jutsu I cant put to either shinobi. They could be jutsu of hashis because we know so little about what he can do or even yaguras..!?!? We'll have to wait and find out.

Conclusion: With this theory it begs the question "if all of tobis abilities are attributed to his senju hybrid zetsu body then wheres madaras EMS eyes and if tobi is madara, why isnt he using them?"....
Oh geez.

Another one of these?

Well, let's see.

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Let me explain. Tobis ability to communicate through the ground with zetsu and sense where people are by means of the ground was thought to be believed a EMS jutsu until now. However, its not. And thats not a known ability of shodia (so far) so then who is the black zetsu half made from if hashi is the base for the white one?
Who has ever said, that it was an EMS ability? Prove pls. Otherwise, this theory is even more useless.
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Re: Anatomy of zetsu?

TheBaron, you're doing it wrong, just ignore the moron and he'll starve to death.

But if you want to show the dimwit where he's wrong, don't just quote one part, demolish the whole damn thing!

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At first I believed all of Tobis crazy abilities were due to his EMS power, but now that time has gone on it doesnt seem that way anymore.
We don't even know exactly what the EMS does, so how did you come up to that conclusion?

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Let me explain. Tobis ability to communicate through the ground with zetsu and sense where people are by means of the ground was thought to be believed a EMS jutsu until now.
What? Can someone please offer me the panel where is Tobi communicating with Zetsu from the ground and not the other way around? Because we even had pages showing how Zetsu's ability of traveling works (by roots), so... I'm deeply confused by this inane quote.

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However, its not.
And since I already said the EMS' capabilities are unknown, you're pulling things out of your derrière.

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And thats not a known ability of shodia (so far) so then who is the black zetsu half made from if hashi is the base for the white one?

Its herehttp://www.mangareader.net/93-46747-...apter-481.html
Bender, do the honors for me.

Someone here doesn't know that solids propagate mechanical waves better than liquids or gases!

If you didn't catch my drift, people with enough training can tell their surroundings using the ground (normally is by listening to it, but since this is Naruto and the image of Tobirama sticking his ass up to put his ear in the ground would be accurate but silly-looking, Kishi was sensible enough to make him at least touch the ground to scout).

If you doubt me, go search on the webs and you'll find plenty of examples from explorers and scouts using the ground that way.

So yeah, yet another fail by KYF.

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black zetsu touching the groundhttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/536/12
First, the one who "touches" (it's rather rooting himself) it's his White Zetsu remnant, which is kind of obvious since the foot being rooted is fucking white. Also the Zetsu that appears near Madara is white. So unless you suffer from the worst case of color blindness in history that you can't even tell black from white, it's not Black Zetsu doing the stuff, it's White Zetsu. And even if it was Black Zetsu, we sure didn't see Tobirama doing any of that stuff... why do I sense an argument from absence coming up ahead?

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and tobi kneels down as if to sense where people and certain treasures are.http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/536/13
Yet again, pulling things out of your ass and not seeing the obvious. He was getting up! He was sit in the previous page so he had to get up by using his hand as leverage for balance! It's not some crazy jutsu, is just Madara acting like human being that he's supposed to be!

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But, theyre appearance must mean theres at least one more shinobi in the mix. And with so much involvement with madara/tobi and the similar appearance I think its him.http://www.mangareader.net/93-56935-...apter-507.htmlYagura as the final shinobi in the mix is pure speculation based on the lack of evidence, but I cant really think of anyone else at the moment.
Theory crafting 101: if you don't have evidence for your claims, DON'T FUCKING CLAIM ANYTHING! Do you even wonder why you're called a dumbass at a regular basis?

But, in the other hand, at least you didn't resort to the laughable concept of the flowers. Kudos for that!

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As far as jutsu go:

Tobirama can count as zetsu and tobis ability to communicate or sense others through the ground
No, already debunked to hell.

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And most controversial is the idea that since tobirama was an adept T/S jutsu user, Tobis ability to use a powerful T/S jutsu without it being MS or EMS could be the reason. Kakashi is able to use a powerful T/S with MS even though hes just a hatake, non-descendent of RS.
I love how you provide your own debunk. The very fact that Tobirama and Madara aren't the only T/S users (because, like you said, Kakashi also uses MS and you kind of forgot Minato and A's assistant), it's proof that they aren't strictly related by common feats.

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Simply decomposing himself to a gas like state of matter could be it..
And someone doesn't know what decomposition of a human to a gas means...

Hint: that'd imply that he's rotting his flesh, something I think even you know it's not true.

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Conclusion: With this theory it begs the question "if all of tobis abilities are attributed to his senju hybrid zetsu body then wheres madaras EMS eyes and if tobi is madara, why isnt he using them?"....
And I provide the answer: he doesn't have a senju hybrid zetsu body as far as we know because you're a dumbass and Madara isn't using his whole arsenal because he's also a dumbass. No wonder you make so many stupid theories about him, you share so much in common!

And I'm out and, unless someone quotes the bastard again, my ignore function will simply laugh at whatever response he'll come up with!
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As for the spore jutsu and perfect clones jutsu I cant put to either shinobi. They could be jutsu of hashis because we know so little about what he can do or even yaguras..!?!? We'll have to wait and find out
Lawd you guys still are such douchebags to each other. Ahem, your white zetsu part we know came from Shodai , but go and reseach how the make GMO(genetically modified organisms). There are three ways but using a certain spore is one way to rewrite DNA. Maybe kishi had this in mind. That guy handed you your ass somewhat though.
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hmmm don't even know what to say cos everything looks jumbled up
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TheBaron, you're doing it wrong, just ignore the moron and he'll starve to death.

But if you want to show the dimwit where he's wrong, don't just quote one part, demolish the whole damn thing!



We don't even know exactly what the EMS does, so how did you come up to that conclusion?



What? Can someone please offer me the panel where is Tobi communicating with Zetsu from the ground and not the other way around? Because we even had pages showing how Zetsu's ability of traveling works (by roots), so... I'm deeply confused by this inane quote.



And since I already said the EMS' capabilities are unknown, you're pulling things out of your derrière.



Bender, do the honors for me.

Someone here doesn't know that solids propagate mechanical waves better than liquids or gases!

If you didn't catch my drift, people with enough training can tell their surroundings using the ground (normally is by listening to it, but since this is Naruto and the image of Tobirama sticking his ass up to put his ear in the ground would be accurate but silly-looking, Kishi was sensible enough to make him at least touch the ground to scout).

If you doubt me, go search on the webs and you'll find plenty of examples from explorers and scouts using the ground that way.

So yeah, yet another fail by KYF.



First, the one who "touches" (it's rather rooting himself) it's his White Zetsu remnant, which is kind of obvious since the foot being rooted is fucking white. Also the Zetsu that appears near Madara is white. So unless you suffer from the worst case of color blindness in history that you can't even tell black from white, it's not Black Zetsu doing the stuff, it's White Zetsu. And even if it was Black Zetsu, we sure didn't see Tobirama doing any of that stuff... why do I sense an argument from absence coming up ahead?



Yet again, pulling things out of your ass and not seeing the obvious. He was getting up! He was sit in the previous page so he had to get up by using his hand as leverage for balance! It's not some crazy jutsu, is just Madara acting like human being that he's supposed to be!



Theory crafting 101: if you don't have evidence for your claims, DON'T FUCKING CLAIM ANYTHING! Do you even wonder why you're called a dumbass at a regular basis?

But, in the other hand, at least you didn't resort to the laughable concept of the flowers. Kudos for that!



No, already debunked to hell.



I love how you provide your own debunk. The very fact that Tobirama and Madara aren't the only T/S users (because, like you said, Kakashi also uses MS and you kind of forgot Minato and A's assistant), it's proof that they aren't strictly related by common feats.



And someone doesn't know what decomposition of a human to a gas means...

Hint: that'd imply that he's rotting his flesh, something I think even you know it's not true.



And I provide the answer: he doesn't have a senju hybrid zetsu body as far as we know because you're a dumbass and Madara isn't using his whole arsenal because he's also a dumbass. No wonder you make so many stupid theories about him, you share so much in common!

And I'm out and, unless someone quotes the bastard again, my ignore function will simply laugh at whatever response he'll come up with!
That thing, about tearing everything apart? I got ppl. to do that for me. You, i.e.

Seriously, I am so shitty at finding my way around stuff, that has to be multiquoted. So easy with KYF, just say she is a moron, that makes everyhing so much simpler and it is true as well.
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Re: Anatomy of zetsu?

The foot bone's connected to the leg bone; the leg bone's connected to the hip bone; the hip bone's connected to the spine bones...
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You lost me at the leg bone. I like to hump legs..
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The foot bone's connected to the leg bone; the leg bone's connected to the hip bone; the hip bone's connected to the spine bones...
The knee bone's connected to the... something. The something is connected to the... red thing. The red thing's connected to my wrist watch... Uh oh.
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TheBaron, you're doing it wrong, just ignore the moron and he'll starve to death.

But if you want to show the dimwit where he's wrong, don't just quote one part, demolish the whole damn thing!

We don't even know exactly what the EMS does, so how did you come up to that conclusion?
IDK, could it be that tobi/madara has never been shown to use the EMS only a basic SG. And Tobi doesnt have an FIRE affinity like the original madara only jutsu similar to zetsu....

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What? Can someone please offer me the panel where is Tobi communicating with Zetsu from the ground and not the other way around? Because we even had pages showing how Zetsu's ability of traveling works (by roots), so... I'm deeply confused by this inane quote.
That was a mistake, I meant black zetsu communicating and tobis sensing only. I was trying to point out the fact that Black zetsu and tobi could have the same ability to sense others by suing the ground. The communication part was a mistake.

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And since I already said the EMS' capabilities are unknown, you're pulling things out of your derrière.
Uhhh, over confident jackass... Tobi snesing people through the ground WOULDNT be a EMS jutsu if thats what hes doing, LMAO. Clearly it would come from black zetsu. Think before u bitch!!


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Someone here doesn't know that solids propagate mechanical waves better than liquids or gases!

If you didn't catch my drift, people with enough training can tell their surroundings using the ground (normally is by listening to it, but since this is Naruto and the image of Tobirama sticking his ass up to put his ear in the ground would be accurate but silly-looking, Kishi was sensible enough to make him at least touch the ground to scout).
Oh really kishi, so The fact that tobirama and black zetsu can sense people by being in contact with the ground must mean nothing. Especially since they are the only known two with that ability other then tobi possibly. Just... plain ... fail on ur part. Ur R-tard rationalization is ridiculous since this is a manga of magical ninja with crazy abilities yet u wish to believe kishi just didnt want tobiramas ass in the air

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If you doubt me, go search on the webs and you'll find plenty of examples from explorers and scouts using the ground that way.
Of course I will, yet narutoverse isnt exactly real is it!!!! Its fiction and riddled with crazy abilities so why do u wish to believe tobirama isnt doing what hes ACTUALLY doing? Gee I wonder.....

Lol, I suppose yamato and oros ability to move through the ground isnt similar and connected in some way (*cough* earth style *cough*) kishi just didnt want to have oro and yamato crawl away with theyre asses in the air, hunh....

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So yeah, yet another fail by KYF.



First, the one who "touches" (it's rather rooting himself) it's his White Zetsu remnant, which is kind of obvious since the foot being rooted is fucking white. Also the Zetsu that appears near Madara is white. So unless you suffer from the worst case of color blindness in history that you can't even tell black from white, it's not Black Zetsu doing the stuff, it's White Zetsu. And even if it was Black Zetsu, we sure didn't see Tobirama doing any of that stuff... why do I sense an argument from absence coming up ahead?
Gee, Black zetsu senses the jinks because they are touching the groundhttp://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...6/page012.html
Then communicates the message to white zetsu (doesnt matter if its a white piece because black zetsu did it)http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/ch...6/page013.html

Granted the ability could be white zetsus, but my main point is the sensing ability is no doubt black zetsus.

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Yet again, pulling things out of your ass and not seeing the obvious. He was getting up! He was sit in the previous page so he had to get up by using his hand as leverage for balance! It's not some crazy jutsu, is just Madara acting like human being that he's supposed to be!
LAMO, there u go again! Shit rationalizations of something that inst just normal.

Why??? Because zetsu told tobi that the jinks where out, not where kin and gin with the treasures are, yet madara kneeled (because it suffix says Kneel!!) then appeared by the treasures. Gee, I wonder what madara couldve been doing when hes kneeled.....

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Theory crafting 101: if you don't have evidence for your claims, DON'T FUCKING CLAIM ANYTHING! Do you even wonder why you're called a dumbass at a regular basis?
I dont know captain "everything is just normal, spppppppp". Ur BS interpretation of evidence is ur own pretensions opinion. Not manga panels.

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No, already debunked to hell.
Wrong, tobi cant communicate, but he has been shown doing what clearly looks like sensing the way tobirama did. U cant debunk the obvious with ignorant rationalizations.

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I love how you provide your own debunk. The very fact that Tobirama and Madara aren't the only T/S users (because, like you said, Kakashi also uses MS and you kind of forgot Minato and A's assistant), it's proof that they aren't strictly related by common feats.
Of course they are, Yin and yang elemental chakra.

Still, u missed the point. Kakashi who isnt fire affinity and is most likely Yang type shinobi is capable of using that yang chakra with the Sgs yin and creating a powerful T/S jutsu. So, tobi with a far more powerful body and affinity to the Yang element with just a basic SG could very well do the same.... U following??


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Hint: that'd imply that he's rotting his flesh, something I think even you know it's not true.
Oro and yamato could recompose themselves to a state capable of moving through solid objects. Decompose was a typo....


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And I provide the answer: he doesn't have a senju hybrid zetsu body as far as we know because you're a dumbass and Madara isn't using his whole arsenal because he's also a dumbass. No wonder you make so many stupid theories about him, you share so much in common!
No we dont KNOW, but ur the dumbass who rationalizes magical abilities into basic human skills in reality...
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KYF, how many of your theories or predictions have been true, or even close to what actually ends up being true?
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he did get the Inzanagi thing right though. I dunno about anything else.
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he did get the Inzanagi thing right though. I dunno about anything else.
He got the existence of Izanagi right, based on Japanese mythology of Izanagi creating Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. He did NOT predict Izanagi's ability.

As for jts' question, my count is 0 for correct theories.
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