Naruto541 Predictions/spoilers - Page 4

The Special One · 05-27-2011, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki

I get what you are saying But you also must realize Konoha was willing to do ANYTHING to keep tensions down, they gave up a life for a life when they tried to kidnap a Hyuuga!

Besides kidnapping Kushina comes AFTER this prediction, as does the other things reported. lol.

The reason i pt it this way is because we never got a mention of who the black kid was in Minato's group or the girl so i made him A and the girl Anko's older sister...lol. (if anyone caught that)

You have the timeline out of order, unfortunately.

You do realize that the current Raikage is like at least the Sannin's age (probably older)? 30 years ago when the Hachbi erupted and attacked Kumogakure, Ei was at least between the ages of 20 and 30. 30 years ago, Minato couldn't have been more than brat while Ei was full well into adulthood.

Also, Minato couldn't have been Hokage for more than a couple of years, I doubt he'd had the time to establish fair enough diplomatic relations with the war hound Raikage, especially, since just several years after Minato's death, the Raikage tried to capture the Byakugan... I'm assuming Konoha and Kumo weren't all that friendly. Hell, I can't think of any village that wasn't at least threatened by Kumogakure. They've always been amassing powers and jutsu...

superninja · 05-27-2011, 05:18 PM

I am mostly curious how the talk between Naruto, Killerbee, Tsunade and raikage is going to look like next chapter. I wouldn't mind seeing them fight each other, it could be fun, but that would make the alliance look like a bunch of fools in a way.
I really hope Naruto doesn't convince raikage about anything because imo Naruto was wrong to take off on his own. Madara's goal is actually not capturing Naruto at this time, I know that because he said he wants to see him fight Sasuke first. Plus I think if Madara really wanted to capture him by now, he would have made a serious effort and done it himself. But that is not the point. If Madara is really trying to capture Naruto then Naruto running out in the open without knowing the enemies strength is one of the dumbest things ever. But Kishimoto is somehow going to spin it around to make Naruto look like he was right 100 percent even if that is not true.

jericho Uzimaki · 05-27-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

You have the timeline out of order, unfortunately.

You do realize that the current Raikage is like at least the Sannin's age (probably older)? 30 years ago when the Hachbi erupted and attacked Kumogakure, Ei was at least between the ages of 20 and 30. 30 years ago, Minato couldn't have been more than brat while Ei was full well into adulthood.

Also, Minato couldn't have been Hokage for more than a couple of years, I doubt he'd had the time to establish fair enough diplomatic relations with the war hound Raikage, especially, since just several years after Minato's death, the Raikage tried to capture the Byakugan... I'm assuming Konoha and Kumo weren't all that friendly. Hell, I can't think of any village that wasn't at least threatened by Kumogakure. They've always been amassing powers and jutsu...

Well Bee is 35 only 5 years older than Kakashi so he is too young to be running w/ Minato.

Kushina kidnapping happened when she was still young.

Kumo tried to Kidnap Hinata So, that has to be AFTER Minato was dead.

The 3rd Raikage was Kage 30ish years before now.
(Bee was made Jink at around 5-8 years old)

A became Raikage at a fairly young age(not as young as Minato though) but he isn't THAT much older than Bee maybe 8 to 10 years. Which would put him at 43 - 45 years old. The Sanin are in the mid to upper 50's.

let's see Minato was training as a Genin when he was 10 by J-Man.
Let's say he was 22 (J-man did grad at 6) anyway he was a which would be 33 years ago.
Which would make A 10 - 12 years old.
Round the time 3rd Raikage was in rule so i think my prediction maybe close enough to possible...to be a fan predict anyway. lol.

jericho Uzimaki · 05-27-2011, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Narut0360

i see what your saying about the village trying to keep tensions down with the cloud, and i kinda agree with that... but that still does not make The Raikage and Minato all Buddy Buddy with each other. and in your post you made them feel a lot older like 15 and 16, while the Kushina kidnapping happened way younger LIKE around 12 and 13. thats my thought

the predict spans from there first day(9-12) to them going there separate ways(14-16)for different reasons.

But thanks.

The Special One · 05-28-2011, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jericho Uzimaki

Well Bee is 35 only 5 years older than Kakashi so he is too young to be running w/ Minato.

Kushina kidnapping happened when she was still young.

Kumo tried to Kidnap Hinata So, that has to be AFTER Minato was dead.

The 3rd Raikage was Kage 30ish years before now.
(Bee was made Jink at around 5-8 years old)

A became Raikage at a fairly young age(not as young as Minato though) but he isn't THAT much older than Bee maybe 8 to 10 years. Which would put him at 43 - 45 years old. The Sanin are in the mid to upper 50's.

let's see Minato was training as a Genin when he was 10 by J-Man.
Let's say he was 22 (J-man did grad at 6) anyway he was a which would be 33 years ago.
Which would make A 10 - 12 years old.
Round the time 3rd Raikage was in rule so i think my prediction maybe close enough to possible...to be a fan predict anyway. lol.

Raikage is quite old, not Danzou/Sarutobi old, but still, well grizzled.

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Kushina kidnapping happened when she was still young.

True.

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Kumo tried to Kidnap Hinata So, that has to be AFTER Minato was dead.

Again, true, however, not more than 10 years after Minato was dead.

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The 3rd Raikage was Kage 30ish years before now.
(Bee was made Jink at around 5-8 years old)

The 3rd Raikage was an old man 30 years ago. Ei fought with him, Ei was at "least" 20 going on looks when the two of them and some other shinobi tackled the Hachbi 30 years ago.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-51588-...apter-494.html

That man cloaked in Raiton armor is Ei, not the 3rd Raikage. The 3rd Raikage is that old man carrying the urn. Proof that the young man in the Raiton Cloak is Ei is here:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-51351-...apter-493.html

See, they dress exactly same. And the fact that the elite ninja used Raiton cloak further suggests that it's actually Ei that cut off the Hachibi's horn, not the 3rd Raikage..

Obviously, Motoi addressed Ei as Raikage, however, the scan above proves that the standing Raikage 30 years ago was still in fact, their father.

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but he isn't THAT much older than Bee maybe 8 to 10 years. Which would put him at 43 - 45 years old. The Sanin are in the mid to upper 50's.

Apparently, he has to be much older than we originally assumed (he does look old in the face). 30 years ago, he was at least in his 20s as demonstrated by the scans I provided.

krurk · 05-28-2011, 09:22 AM

I have always said its much more likely that Bee trained with or at least met Minato more than it was likely that Raikage knew Minato. Raikage, I would imagine, may be at least 10 years older than Bee, I would go as far as 15, but I would not put it out of the realm of possibility that Raikage was part of the team that attempted to kidnap Kushina.

I could be mistaken but they were gennin/chuunin when Kushina was kidnapped, assuming Bee is around Minato's age, he would have been a gennin as well, but he also could be around Kakashi's age which takes it out of the realm of possibility that he was there, leaving Raikage...

I would assume his father was still Raikage at the time, and I would also assume that Ei would have been a jounin at this time, under that assumption he would have been sent to take Kushina, in the one story it was said the Minato went after her...

Minato, being possibly a chuunin giving him ten years after the event to become Hokage, but I am going to assume this was the event that cemented his legacy. I do not think Ei and Minato fought, they may have but Ei would had destroyed him since he was ten years older, Minato probably played some tricks, and got Kushina out of there.

I can really see Bee maybe mentioning to Ei that Naruto is the son of the 4th Hokage, Ei would know that it was Minato and I would assume he would have respected after the Kushina incident, and this will make an impact on how Ei views Naruto.

^This is just my opinion on how Raikage, Bee, and Minato can be mixed together, I still highly doubt they did anything but possibly fight one on one in a way, I can not see them training together.

killerrabbit9 · 05-28-2011, 11:44 AM

Alright the source of this argument is this image. Sorry I tried really hard but I couldn't find an unadulterated manga image, but it does exist.

As well as Bee's comment when Naruto mentioned that the rasengan was the fourth's technique.

http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/519/16 (though now that I think it about this seems more likely to indicate Bee and Minato had a fight)

Okay so many people think the guy on the far left is one of the cloud brothers. Bee is too young. He is thirty five now and Sasuke's dad who should be close to Minato's age was forty in part 1. The only clues we have to Minato's age is that he was a Chunin at age 10 and that he became Hokage before the age of thirty. We also have that Uchiha Itachi was 3-4 during the 3rd Ninja war and Kakashi was 13 which puts that at roughly 14 years before the series began or two years before the Kyuubi attack. This means, assuming Minato became Hokage immediately after the war there was a max of two years as Hokage before the attack. Even if we stretch and say he was 21 when he became Hokage (meaning if he taught Kakashi from a chunin, he was a sensei at age 15) in the current Naruto time he would be 39, though I would say he would probably be more like 44-45.

About the Raikage, you say 30 years ago he looks about 20. Thats debateable. Itachi was 17 when he made his first appearance, how old does he look? If that doesn't convince you consider how he looked when he killed his clan, and he was probably 13 or 14 then. Obviously in this manga some people grow up fast.

TSO although your argument is convincing I think if Minato can be stretched to be 20 during the third Ninja war then Raikage can be stretched to be 15 in the Hachibi flashback 30 years ago. That makes their age around the same which makes the idea they both trained together under Jiraiya at least possible.

krurk · 05-28-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by killerrabbit9

Okay so many people think the guy on the far left is one of the cloud brothers. Bee is too young. He is thirty five now and Sasuke's dad who should be close to Minato's age was forty in part 1. The only clues we have to Minato's age is that he was a Chunin at age 10 and that he became Hokage before the age of thirty. We also have that Uchiha Itachi was 3-4 during the 3rd Ninja war and Kakashi was 13 which puts that at roughly 14 years before the series began or two years before the Kyuubi attack. This means, assuming Minato became Hokage immediately after the war there was a max of two years as Hokage before the attack. Even if we stretch and say he was 21 when he became Hokage (meaning if he taught Kakashi from a chunin, he was a sensei at age 15) in the current Naruto time he would be 39, though I would say he would probably be more like 44-45. TSO although your argument is convincing I think if Minato can be stretched to be 20 during the third Ninja war then Raikage can be stretched to be 15 in the Hachibi flashback 30 years ago. That makes their age around the same which makes the idea they both trained together under Jiraiya at least possible.

Okay, one question are we assuming the middle one is Sasuke's father? I am alright with that, I am just not sure if that is what you mean..

The only other person that comes to mind when I think of that picture would be Asuma or his brother...it seems the leaf puts together sons and daughters of former sensei's and etc, the only reason those two comes to mind is because Sarutobi trained J man, so it would be logical that J man would train his children, I think Asuma is too young to be training with Minato, so my guess would be his brother, who I am not sure is younger or older, but I would assume older because he had a son before Asuma, I know shitty logic, but it could make sense.

The Special One · 05-28-2011, 12:53 PM

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About the Raikage, you say 30 years ago he looks about 20. Thats debateable. Itachi was 17 when he made his first appearance, how old does he look? If that doesn't convince you consider how he looked when he killed his clan, and he was probably 13 or 14 then. Obviously in this manga some people grow up fast.

TSO although your argument is convincing I think if Minato can be stretched to be 20 during the third Ninja war then Raikage can be stretched to be 15 in the Hachibi flashback 30 years ago. That makes their age around the same which makes the idea they both trained together under Jiraiya at least possible.

I say Raikage looks to be in his 20s 30 years ago based on how he looks now (the major stronghold of my analysis). Now, Raikge doesn't look like he's in Minato's age range (Shikaku, Akimichi, Inoichi, etc; basically, going on logic that the parents of the current rookie 9 had children all within a similar time frame and are give or take a couple of years off or over 40 if not 40).

Raikage also doesn't look to be decrepit, so I'm not placing him in Danzou and Sarutobi's age range either. The only age range that makes since is putting him in the Sannin's age range. He may be a slightly older or younger than them, however, that age range makes the most since given everything considered. Look at his face and record (has years of experience as stated by the manga).

Minato was obviously in his 20s during the 3rd shinobi war, and was promoted to Hokage within a 1-2 year (probably shorter) time frame. If Minato had a child at 20, 16 years later, Minato would be 36 (not a bad round off, but I think Minato had a child a little older). So, I'd say Minato had a child at least at the age of 22 most likely at the age of 24 or 25 as that would make him like 40 or 41 if Minato lived to see Naruto grow up. And look at taht, 40 or 41 is the correct age-range in which Minato fits if he was still alive. Minato has to be older than Bee based on logic.

edit: So 30 years ago, Minato would have been around 10 or 11, he'd still be in Jiraiya's squad as a kid. While, as proven already, 30 years ago, Ei was a fully grown man. That's the what all this boils down to, this one oversight...

krurk · 05-28-2011, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

I say Raikage looks to be in his 20s 30 years ago based on how he looks now (the major stronghold of my analysis). Now, Raikge doesn't look like he's in Minato's age range (Shikaku, Akimichi, Inoichi, etc; basically, going on logic that the parents of the current rookie 9 had children all within a similar time frame and are give or take a couple of years off or over 40 if not 40).

Raikage also doesn't look to be decrepit, so I'm not placing him in Danzou and Sarutobi's age range either. The only age range that makes since is putting him in the Sannin's age range. He may be a slightly older or younger than them, however, that age range makes the most since given everything considered. Look at his face and record (has years of experience as stated by the manga).

Minato was obviously in his 20s during the 3rd shinobi war, and was promoted to Hokage within a 1-2 year (probably shorter) time frame. If Minato had a child at 20, 16 years later, Minato would be 36 (not a bad round off, but I think Minato had a child a little older). So, I'd say Minato had a child at least at the age of 22 most likely at the age of 24 or 25 as that would make him like 40 or 41 if Minato lived to see Naruto grow up. And look at taht, 40 or 41 is the correct age-range in which Minato fits if he was still alive. Minato has to be older than Bee based on logic.

edit: So 30 years ago, Minato would have been around 10 or 11, he'd still be in Jiraiya's squad as a kid. While, as proven already, 30 years ago, Ei was a fully grown man. That's the what all this boils down to, this one oversight...

I get what you are saying, I would put Raikage inbetween Jman and Minato, I was thinking more along the lines of like 5 years older than Minato, but as it was stated earlier, Naruto was 10 when he became a chuunin, which is around 2 to 4 years earlier than most of the others, so logically it could have happened, but idk, we don't have enough information, anyone could be right

Tmoore · 05-28-2011, 01:36 PM

i said months ago when that chapter came out that minato fought bee but nooo i was stupid he didnt train with him cuz it showed bee as a kid with that guy from his village not jiraiya

The Special One · 05-28-2011, 01:38 PM

The age at which Minato achieved either Chuunin or Jounin rank really doesn't account for much in regards to predicting age range. Minato could have been Chuunin at 10 but didn't achieve Jounin rank until 18...

-Bee is like 5 years younger than Minato... So I don't see how Bee could have been in the picture with Minato and the other young kid. Besides, Bee always wore shades and had blond upswept hair even as a child. Also, had a darker upper lip.

krurk · 05-28-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Special One

The age at which Minato achieved either Chuunin or Jounin rank really doesn't account for much in regards to predicting age range. Minato could have been Chuunin at 10 but didn't achieve Jounin rank until 18...

-Bee is like 5 years younger than Minato... So I don't see how Bee could have been in the picture with Minato and the other young kid. Besides, Bee always wore shades and had blond upswept hair even as a child. Also, had a darker upper lip.

that's not what I am saying, I know Bee is not the one in the picture, that I agree with 100%, I am saying if Raikage trained with Minato and he is the one in the picture, if he is 5 years older than Minato, and Minato was a chuunin by age 10, it would not be out of the realm of possibility that they were trained together, but I still think my original idea that Raikage and Minato fought for Kushina is the best possibility.

Memphis · 05-28-2011, 06:00 PM

that kid in the picture aint raikage, he looks like a fag

jericho Uzimaki · 05-28-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Memphis

that kid in the picture aint Raikage, he looks like a fag

Just speculating on the possibility. He could be a Sarutobi, he could be a refugee form Kumo, he could be anyone and no one. it's all just good ole Forum talk.

05-27-2011, 05:18 PM	#47
superninja ANBU Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,841 Thanks: 190 Thanked 691 Times in 554 Posts	Re: Naruto541 Predictions/spoilers I am mostly curious how the talk between Naruto, Killerbee, Tsunade and raikage is going to look like next chapter. I wouldn't mind seeing them fight each other, it could be fun, but that would make the alliance look like a bunch of fools in a way. I really hope Naruto doesn't convince raikage about anything because imo Naruto was wrong to take off on his own. Madara's goal is actually not capturing Naruto at this time, I know that because he said he wants to see him fight Sasuke first. Plus I think if Madara really wanted to capture him by now, he would have made a serious effort and done it himself. But that is not the point. If Madara is really trying to capture Naruto then Naruto running out in the open without knowing the enemies strength is one of the dumbest things ever. But Kishimoto is somehow going to spin it around to make Naruto look like he was right 100 percent even if that is not true. __________________ The great off panel war has begun...also called the war of one panel because most fights started and ended in one panel. Also Kin and Gin as substitute for kyuubi chakra (the greatest amount of chakra in Naruto world) is something Kishi pulled out of his ass. I lost major respect. It would be like near the end of LOTR there happens to be another slightly weaker ring and Sauron is like "that will do". It kind of shits on everything established up to that point. It kind of insults my intelligence.

05-28-2011, 09:22 AM	#51
krurk ANBU Join Date: Jul 2008 Age: 22 Posts: 1,533 Thanks: 76 Thanked 669 Times in 311 Posts	Re: Naruto541 Predictions/spoilers I have always said its much more likely that Bee trained with or at least met Minato more than it was likely that Raikage knew Minato. Raikage, I would imagine, may be at least 10 years older than Bee, I would go as far as 15, but I would not put it out of the realm of possibility that Raikage was part of the team that attempted to kidnap Kushina. I could be mistaken but they were gennin/chuunin when Kushina was kidnapped, assuming Bee is around Minato's age, he would have been a gennin as well, but he also could be around Kakashi's age which takes it out of the realm of possibility that he was there, leaving Raikage... I would assume his father was still Raikage at the time, and I would also assume that Ei would have been a jounin at this time, under that assumption he would have been sent to take Kushina, in the one story it was said the Minato went after her... Minato, being possibly a chuunin giving him ten years after the event to become Hokage, but I am going to assume this was the event that cemented his legacy. I do not think Ei and Minato fought, they may have but Ei would had destroyed him since he was ten years older, Minato probably played some tricks, and got Kushina out of there. I can really see Bee maybe mentioning to Ei that Naruto is the son of the 4th Hokage, Ei would know that it was Minato and I would assume he would have respected after the Kushina incident, and this will make an impact on how Ei views Naruto. ^This is just my opinion on how Raikage, Bee, and Minato can be mixed together, I still highly doubt they did anything but possibly fight one on one in a way, I can not see them training together.

05-28-2011, 11:44 AM	#52
killerrabbit9 Chuunin Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 419 Thanks: 258 Thanked 523 Times in 140 Posts	Re: Naruto541 Predictions/spoilers Alright the source of this argument is this image. Sorry I tried really hard but I couldn't find an unadulterated manga image, but it does exist. As well as Bee's comment when Naruto mentioned that the rasengan was the fourth's technique. http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/519/16 (though now that I think it about this seems more likely to indicate Bee and Minato had a fight) Okay so many people think the guy on the far left is one of the cloud brothers. Bee is too young. He is thirty five now and Sasuke's dad who should be close to Minato's age was forty in part 1. The only clues we have to Minato's age is that he was a Chunin at age 10 and that he became Hokage before the age of thirty. We also have that Uchiha Itachi was 3-4 during the 3rd Ninja war and Kakashi was 13 which puts that at roughly 14 years before the series began or two years before the Kyuubi attack. This means, assuming Minato became Hokage immediately after the war there was a max of two years as Hokage before the attack. Even if we stretch and say he was 21 when he became Hokage (meaning if he taught Kakashi from a chunin, he was a sensei at age 15) in the current Naruto time he would be 39, though I would say he would probably be more like 44-45. About the Raikage, you say 30 years ago he looks about 20. Thats debateable. Itachi was 17 when he made his first appearance, how old does he look? If that doesn't convince you consider how he looked when he killed his clan, and he was probably 13 or 14 then. Obviously in this manga some people grow up fast. TSO although your argument is convincing I think if Minato can be stretched to be 20 during the third Ninja war then Raikage can be stretched to be 15 in the Hachibi flashback 30 years ago. That makes their age around the same which makes the idea they both trained together under Jiraiya at least possible. __________________ One Piece: The manga you wait 600 chapters to start reading. Last edited by killerrabbit9; 05-28-2011 at 12:05 PM.

05-28-2011, 01:36 PM	#56
Tmoore wandering analyst Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: houstatlantavegas Posts: 834 Thanks: 1,894 Thanked 468 Times in 238 Posts	Re: Naruto541 Predictions/spoilers i said months ago when that chapter came out that minato fought bee but nooo i was stupid he didnt train with him cuz it showed bee as a kid with that guy from his village not jiraiya __________________

05-28-2011, 01:38 PM	#57
The Special One Kage Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Oakpark, Michigan Age: 22 Posts: 5,054 Thanks: 884 Thanked 4,449 Times in 1,550 Posts	Re: Naruto541 Predictions/spoilers The age at which Minato achieved either Chuunin or Jounin rank really doesn't account for much in regards to predicting age range. Minato could have been Chuunin at 10 but didn't achieve Jounin rank until 18... -Bee is like 5 years younger than Minato... So I don't see how Bee could have been in the picture with Minato and the other young kid. Besides, Bee always wore shades and had blond upswept hair even as a child. Also, had a darker upper lip. __________________ The Specialist, forever http://forums.narutocentral.com/showthread.php?t=24201 ^My first thread.lol Last edited by The Special One; 05-28-2011 at 01:44 PM.

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