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Old 07-14-2011, 07:42 PM   #76
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Re: Tobis previous Identity?!?

Considering he didn't even get Izanagi right, just the existence of it...
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Re: Tobis previous Identity?!?

thats what im sayin im not bashin the dude kael im jus saying he is srong and thinking too hard if madara was shishui or whatever how come danzo had his eye and after the fight he was upset danzo crushed it?
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Someone had to manipulate the uchiha into a revolt in the first place and I dont see sasukes father doing that as the master mind. Just like akatsuki, tobi was the real leader from the shadows IMO.
Nobody manipulate Uchiha into revolt. The relationship sour during the reign of the 2nd and become worse after their relocation by the konoha council. Both are suspicious of each other and the appearance of the kyuubi makes the relationship worse. Madara doesn't have to do anything. Its a ticking time bomb and its bound to happen. Its pure paranoia that makes them make that decision.

The one time I can believe Madara pulling the string is during the war at the Rain. He needs Rinnengan and Rinnengan only appear at that place if too many bullshit happen there.

Madara claims that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan, so by making a shit storm there and forcing it appear, Madara did give Pain is Rinnengan.
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He needs Rinnengan and Rinnengan only appear at that place if too many bullshit happen there..
Well a lot of bullshit is happening around the whole war thing so looking forward to another rinnegan appearance..
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Well a lot of bullshit is happening around the whole war thing so looking forward to another rinnegan appearance..
Dammit not you. I was writing that for KYF and wait for his reaction
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Tobis previous Identity? He is Madara. Only Zetsu calls him Tobi(we yet to know why)

A good judge of this tobi=shisui will be Itachi. He met the two people. One he considers his mentor and the other his best friend. Implying they are totally different people, not one posing as the other.

Unless u want to tell me Itachi was stupid to not be able to determine that the chakras of shisui and Madara are actually one with his powerful SG.
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Dammit not you. I was writing that for KYF and wait for his reaction
Oops! my bad, well he still has a second chance...
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Old 07-15-2011, 06:17 PM   #83
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Considering he didn't even get Izanagi right, just the existence of it...
U must be trolling because I proved u idiots wrong on that. U and numious said tobi was referring to something different with Yin/Yang, not Izanagi in chapter 510. However, anyone who read the last half of the chapter and has a 1rts grade level of reading comp can tell u the reference to yin/yang was about HOW Izanagi works, thus tobi was referring to Izanagi.

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Nobody manipulate Uchiha into revolt. The relationship sour during the reign of the 2nd and become worse after their relocation by the konoha council. Both are suspicious of each other and the appearance of the kyuubi makes the relationship worse. Madara doesn't have to do anything. Its a ticking time bomb and its bound to happen. Its pure paranoia that makes them make that decision.
U have to consider madara caused the first suspicion of the uchiha when he attacked hashi, then tobi caused the second when he unleashed the kyuubi and the village. Finally, tobi just happens to be there when it comes full circle and a revolution is at hand.
By tobis own admission he was there at all three causing the mistrust and paranoia in the first place so him taking advantage of that to have it work in his favor to gain itachi and get rid of the uchiha is only reasonable judging by his feats of manipulation and character.

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The one time I can believe Madara pulling the string is during the war at the Rain. He needs Rinnengan and Rinnengan only appear at that place if too many bullshit happen there.

Madara claims that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan, so by making a shit storm there and forcing it appear, Madara did give Pain is Rinnengan.
I agree tobi was most likely involved there too. Infact I would go so far as to say he couldve instigated every ninja war in order to fulfill a goal.

And if u can see how tobi can create a war to get the RG, why cant u see him posing as a character to get the EMS? I mean if he was shisui and caused the uchiha incident, he is the reason for itachis MS as well as sasukes. Then u consider tobi made sasuke hate like hes never before to master his MS and fight over powered enemies in order to blind him quicker, thus tobi can claim he gave sasuke the EMS just as he gave nagato the RG.
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why cant u see him posing as a character to get the EMS?
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he was shisui and caused the uchiha incident
He already have EMS during his battle with Hashi. Tell me, if his plan is to massacre the uchihas, why didnt he send the kyuubi at their doorstep instead of sending it right in the middle of konoha? Seriously, posing as Shisui, befriend Itachi, his "death", the massacre, its just too much bloody work to do and the massacre can be achieve by putting a giant steroid vulpix at the uchihas home.

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Then u consider tobi made sasuke hate like hes never before to master his MS and fight over powered enemies in order to blind him quicker, thus tobi can claim he gave sasuke the EMS just as he gave nagato the RG.
Yeah, we can all agree Sasuke is an emo idiot.
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He already have EMS during his battle with Hashi. Tell me, if his plan is to massacre the uchihas, why didnt he send the kyuubi at their doorstep instead of sending it right in the middle of konoha? Seriously, posing as Shisui, befriend Itachi, his "death", the massacre, its just too much bloody work to do and the massacre can be achieve by putting a giant steroid vulpix at the uchihas home.



Yeah, we can all agree Sasuke is an emo idiot.
What do u mean "he has EMS from the hashi battle"? We have yet to see any sign of EMS with tobi or even in those jars so its more likely he lost the power somehow and is using EMS level jutsu with his basic SG due to the power of using hashis body to power it. Meaning his senju hashirama body is whats allowing him to use EMS level jutsu with his basic SG eye.

Why send the kyuubi after the uchiha when he no longer has it? Or even if he did, why send the one bijuu the uchiha are known for controlling after them? IMO, unleashing the kyuubi was a way for the uchiha to become suspects in the attack which would be tobis goal when planning to get revenge on the uchiha as he said.

And again, how can u can see tobi creating a full blown war to get the RG just to hopefully appear, but posing as someone else (which tobi is already doing), befriending itachi to awaken the MS while geting his revenge on the uchiha which will cause sasuke to awaken his and the EMS as well.
Thats^^^ actually allot less complex the orchestrating an entire war IMO.
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What do u mean "he has EMS from the hashi battle"?
http://www.mangareader.net/93-391-8/...apter-386.html

he already have ems. He took his bro's eye.

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Why send the kyuubi after the uchiha when he no longer has it? Or even if he did, why send the one bijuu the uchiha are known for controlling after them? IMO, unleashing the kyuubi was a way for the uchiha to become suspects in the attack which would be tobis goal when planning to get revenge on the uchiha as he said.
Kyuubi can only be control by mangekyou sharingan.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-390-15...apter-385.html

so sending to a clan with MS is the same to send them to normal people. they cant control it and they will be wipe out.

So there is no point madara disguise as himself as shisui
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Their you go, every contradiction this thread has to offer so far. Because your just that fucking stupid.





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