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Old 08-02-2011, 05:53 AM   #151
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& Madara taught Itachi what exactly if not simply instructed him on how to gain MS? Really now by the time Itachi meet Madara he was already a well trained Shinobi & an Anbu Captain. Shortly after their meeting Itachi slaughters his village & joins Akatsuku which was under the supervision of Nagato. Itachi wasn't even aware of Madara's presence within Akatsuki. So really when exactly did Itachi have time to train with Madara? Madara is every bit his teacher as he is to Sasuke. Nether person was actually directly trained by him.


1. Itachi never gave away secret information about Danzou which is how the seal actually worked. Don't actually know whether or not Itachi has a seal.

2. Itachi's persona is that of a person who lacks emotion.


3. He killed Shisui under orders as an Anbu. A mission the Hokage would have never approved of. He then killed his entire clan under orders from anbu which again is a mission the Hokage wouldn't have approved of. Had Itachi been an Anbu under direct command of the Hokage he wouldn't have been taking orders from people like Danzou.

4. We also don't have a timeline on when exactly Anbu Root went underground. For all we know Root could have still been involved with Anbu practices in general.
If the hokage hadn't approved, why itachi supposedly return to the village under the guise of capturing naruto when in reality he wanted to remind sarutobi that he was still alive and looking out for sasuke.
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If the hokage hadn't approved, why itachi supposedly return to the village under the guise of capturing naruto when in reality he wanted to remind sarutobi that he was still alive and looking out for sasuke.
Remind Sarutobi? Dude at that point Sarutobi was dead.
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Are u sure?
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Well seeing as Itachi wasn't introduced until after Orochimaru's invasion yes I'm sure Sarutobi was dead by the time Itachi returned to Konoha.
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Old 08-02-2011, 08:29 AM   #155
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Re: Chapter 549 Discussion

^ Dude decisions are made not only by the Hokage and especially one of this magnitude - killing your whole clan - It is jointly done with the elders, maybe the Firelords were also involved. According to Madara, the 3rd lost out not only on votes but also on time.

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Yeah. Itachi came to the village with Kisame right after the 3rd's funeral ceremony.
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Re: Chapter 549 Discussion

i thought itachi came to make sure Danzo didnt do anything to his brother since the 3rd was the only one that cared and he was now dead
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i thought itachi came to make sure Danzo didnt do anything to his brother since the 3rd was the only one that cared and he was now dead
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If the hokage hadn't approved, why itachi supposedly return to the village under the guise of capturing naruto when in reality he wanted to remind sarutobi that he was still alive and looking out for sasuke.

Remind Sarutobi? Dude at that point Sarutobi was dead.


Thats what they said above. For Veng, I understand all that you said, and generally agree, It'd just be nice for Sasuke to 'connect' with someone before, during, or after this 'Rainbow Goodness' hits him, liken to Naruto meeting with his parents. And just by Itachi's, Danzou's, and Madara's words, Itachi was faking around everyone and only in what you posted, and prior to the Uchiha Massacre the 1 on 1 interaction between Sasuke and Itachi. He wasn't even 'real' around Kisame, or any Akatsuki Member. It'd just be nice to hear the Dude speak freely for once.

Did anyone understand while Nagato was being carried by Itachi why he could 'feel' Naruto before Itachi.... Itachi was actually acting as if he were blind, or barely able to see while Nagato was the 'sensor'.... weird.
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Yeah. Itachi came to the village with Kisame right after the 3rd's funeral ceremony.
It wouldn't surprise me if Itachi took the time to pay his respects while he was in the village looking for Naruto.
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Itachi wasn't even aware of Madara's presence within Akatsuki.
So is that why Itachi told Sasuke that Madara created Akatsuki and then hid in its shadows?

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So really when exactly did Itachi have time to train with Madara?
Between the time Itachi found Madara lurking in the forest and the slaughtering of the clan? We don't know the timeline for that, other than it was more than 5 years before the start of the main story (when the clan was slaughtered).


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1. Itachi never gave away secret information about Danzou which is how the seal actually worked. Don't actually know whether or not Itachi has a seal.

2. Itachi's persona is that of a person who lacks emotion.
You missed the part where I mentioned "HE WAS NEVER RAISED IN ROOT". Sai said that ROOT takes in children with no families, and we know for a fact that Itachi had a family.

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3. He killed Shisui under orders as an Anbu.
He killed Shisui because it was, at that time, the only known way to obtain the Mangekyo. He didn't do it because ANBU told him to do it, he did it because Madara said it would give him more power.

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A mission the Hokage would have never approved of. He then killed his entire clan under orders from anbu which again is a mission the Hokage wouldn't have approved of.
Hiruzen didn't approve of the death of the clan. He tried to negotiate with the Uchiha clan elders to prevent a war, or other drastic actions. When that failed, the elders ordered Itachi to put the clan down because they knew he would put the village first before everything else.

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Had Itachi been an Anbu under direct command of the Hokage he wouldn't have been taking orders from people like Danzou.
He was under direct command of Hiruzen, but the elders vetoed Hiruzen's desire to negotiate when they saw it wasn't going anywhere. They manipulated Itachi into slaughtering his clan by using his loyalty to the village to their advantage. As it was, Itachi defied the elders orders by leaving Sasuke alive and having Hiruzen watch over him.

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4. We also don't have a timeline on when exactly Anbu Root went underground. For all we know Root could have still been involved with Anbu practices in general.
You're right, we don't know when Root went underground. But we know how they recruit and train, and Itachi wasn't recruited into Root as an orphan. He wasn't raised with a partner, only to kill that partner to kill his emotions. He killed Shisui in order to obtain the power he thought would be sufficient to take out Madara.
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He killed Shisui because it was, at that time, the only known way to obtain the Mangekyo. He didn't do it because ANBU told him to do it, he did it because Madara said it would give him more power.
Killing Shisui was actually an Anbu mission he was assigned.He even says so during Sasuke's flashbacks before his fight with Naruto at VOTE. His father ask him why Itachi didn't go to the secret Uchiha meeting & Itachi replies with he had a top secret Anbu mission or some shit. Shortly after that Shisui's body was discovered.
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Killing Shisui was actually an Anbu mission he was assigned.He even says so during Sasuke's flashbacks before his fight with Naruto at VOTE. His father ask him why Itachi didn't go to the secret Uchiha meeting & Itachi replies with he had a top secret Anbu mission or some shit. Shortly after that Shisui's body was discovered.
Ever think that was a cover-up excuse? He couldn't exactly tell his dad "I killed my best friend to gain a new power to stop your rebellion".
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shisui attacked itachi......madara told them both how MS was obtained......shisui pursued it......itachi didn't, he was attacked by shisui and choked him out in a river
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shisui attacked itachi......madara told them both how MS was obtained......shisui pursued it......itachi didn't, he was attacked by shisui and choked him out in a river
Shisui was ordered to keep tabs on Itachi. Itachi killed him because it was interfering with his orders to work as a double agent. Shisui wouldn't have done anything with Madara because it would put the clan in danger, which Shisui wouldn't allow due to his devotion to the clan.
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Ever think that was a cover-up excuse? He couldn't exactly tell his dad "I killed my best friend to gain a new power to stop your rebellion".
These are some of the things that Itachi could speak to in the past that I was talking about, some stuff is vague, without confirmation or specificity especially because Itachi was acting... 99% of the time. The Madara student stuff, that I'd seen, Emissary was talking about, but like everybody knows they're are no panels to support what Itachi said, so was he lying to piss Sasuke off, to ensure Madara would be on his killing list as well, that I don't know at this time.
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