Humans good or evil? - Page 2

Akatsuki Shinobi · 10-09-2005, 07:22 PM

right, but, even if it is like that every where, there is a moral right withine ous all, the most basic of basic's that we hAVE, about rights, and the worth of people to others, we all have this, once in a while when someone like this comes along in one of those society, they are usually percicuted , and then used as an example to others, used to put them at fear of percicucion. wich would be bad, not evil, but bad, but any ways, DA, we all have are thoughs, and they are all different, so, whats the point in arguing. everyone has evil and good!!!!! (just vewed differently)

KyoichiKanami · 10-09-2005, 09:53 PM

I believe most humans, by the general defenition of evil, do fall into that category somehow. However, because of the various different kinds of evil, we can't define someone as completely evil or completely good. So, I voted for neutral. I will say that this is where I stand: I, hypothetically could run someone over intentionally, then turn around and give whatever I get from winning that case to an orphanage. So no human really is more evil than another. Unless you're the head of the voice and editing department of 4Kids. In which case you are truly evil and should be bludgeoned with a large piece of burnt toast.

Rockshmo · 10-09-2005, 10:09 PM

Evil of course. For the most part..

Yes being obese is the same as being EVIL! *tallys up obese Americans*

shit.. I gotta get the hell outta here.

DarkAztek · 10-09-2005, 11:24 PM

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right, but, even if it is like that every where, there is a moral right withine ous

Bullshit. Name one "moral" thing that exists throughout every society in the world. You can't. Killing someone? Try again. Incest? That isn't morality, that is genetic imperitive. If it didn't screw up the gene pool, it would be accepted.

If we all had some "universal morality," then why do people break it without realizing they are being "evil"? The terms "good" and "evil" only have as much signifigance as to what we give to them. Any philosophy professor will tell you that. You're assuming everyone has the same views as you.

I don't think I should... But I'll say it again. READ LORD OF THE FLIES FOR A BASIC DESCRIPTION OF HOW MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE AND GOOD AND EVIL DO NOT EXIST.

LightDreamer · 10-09-2005, 11:38 PM

I would consider, killing ones parents off in order to get their inhertance and what not evil. I would consider killing ones parents off with a bat in order to get their inheritance evil.

I believe that crosses the line in everyone's ethics book =T except of course the ones who done it.

Unless of course it says somewhere you're allowed to do that and not get prosecuted =T, even in the place where you get rapped you get stoned thing happens, I doubt there's a place on this earth where you could do it and still have people say, hey! It's okay! We do it all the time here.

It probably isn't as bad as the rape, stone-ing, father dancing, but it still isn't accepted. Still considered evil. Because the rape...yada has something to do with their...iunno religion? [Don't hurt me, I have no idea where they do this or why] Parent killing is just for ones own selfishness. And anywhere, selfishness is a type of evil...I think o.O

DarkAztek · 10-10-2005, 12:07 AM

Let me first share with you the very definition of Morality.

Also bringing up the definition of Moral.

And in case anyone needs it for a recap, Subjective.

The argument that I am going to bring up here in this case is that no where in the actual definition of the term Morality or Moral, does it actually specify what is right and wrong in the terms of Morality. In fact, the only thing it says that is close is “conformity to the ideals of right human conduct”. But we all have different ideas of how to treat each other don’t we?

Without a given context, whether that be; philosophical, religious, political, numerical or instinctual, morality cannot be put into perspective. But even given all said contexts, it still changes from one to the next. What is morally good for politics isn’t necessarily morally good for religion, etc.

Even a serial killer could still hold to his own moral code of conduct. Regardless of whether or not anyone would agree with him, he would still have his own personal morality. Morality cannot simply be discussed as such by itself, or you would get into concepts of what morality takes precedence in any given situation.

The only real thing anyone can do is tack on the additional context of which to apply the morality to. You can’t simply say “this is wrong” because it doesn’t really mean anything. In order to get your point across accurately enough you would have to say something along the lines of “this is wrong in this way because…”

A democratic is not going to convince a republican they are wrong based on generalized morality at all the same way a Christian is not going to convince a Satanist they are wrong based on generalized morality, etc.

Just because someone disagrees with your view point, that does not make them Immoral. Technically speaking, everyone has their own perception of right and wrong, so I don’t think anyone could really be immoral anyway.

Again the only time immorality can apply, would be in confliction with another’s morality in any given context as well. They become immoral because they do not hold the same moral principles that you do. It still doesn’t really make them immoral, because they just have a different moral code then you do. So again they aren’t really being immoral, they’re just disagreeing with you.

So in conclusion, I believe Morality to be purely subjective. Unless someone has some good arguments to convince otherwise?

It is fairly to see cultures and beliefs structures have varying forms of morality. But even individuals in said cultures can have different moralities as well.

Let’s take Democracy for example. Most people that actually live in one think it’s a pretty slick idea. Everyone has rights and a voice right? So sure, it’s a great idea. But you also have people in the same culture who believe in democracy throw it out the window every so often.

Example, Joe Schmoe is a democratic citizen. He loves personal freedoms, etc. But he is also religious, so he understands that God is on high and whatnot. He continually sacrifices his own personal freedoms (and sometimes the freedoms of others) when doing God’s will instead of his own.

Example, Susan Schmoe is a republican and a staunch supported of pro life causes. She doesn’t see any reason why anyone would want to have an abortion, etc. But she is taken advantage of an gets pregnant, now she finally comes to the realization that maybe there are good enough reasons.

So in many cases, culture, personal, etc, each situation can alter the perceptions of morality. While granted, there is normally a ‘usual’ or ‘standard’ set or moral principles in any society, those even change in different circumstances.

Because morality is subjective, good and evil do not really exist. Good and evil exist by our own definition of morality. The ideal of a universally objective morality could theoretically exist, but can’t realistically due to human nature.

fieldscarcrow · 10-10-2005, 12:26 AM

Humanity itself is based apon ideas and the freedome to repersent and express those opions,if some guy dose somthing to a lil girl and then hold her for randsom or the other way around,he is expressing his mental persona.It by law is a horrible and an unhumanly act,but were not god,and we cant say that because some guy gets hard ons for lil girls that he is the repersenitive of the devil,or is doing unholy acts.Maby god is not doing anything to these people cause he set a code of ethics and for every person,he checks off a list of things he wasnt that person to abide by.Like god will say "Ok,he raped a lil girl,so hes not getting a check mark on helping fellow humans,he didnt kill her so ill give him a check for not staining his hands with her blood" or somthing like that.So we as humans have no right to has who is an evil person or someone that is good,we are nothing but the audience in the jury of ethics Vs humanity,and god is the judge.So i think those who die of non-bodie made deaths were the bad ones,they did 2 out of 3 things rong,so god just us to do 2 things right and we wont get pealed off the bumper of a bus.And those of us who die a naturle death,were the redemtion of the sinners.

LightDreamer · 10-10-2005, 12:30 AM

You know, in all simplicity, Evil is a word, in the english language, and all other languages. If we can't call ourselves evil, who the hell else are we gonna call evil? Somebody or something has to be evil, there is a word for it, for a reason. Evil in our minds, differs in each of us. But comparing humans to everything else in the world, we are evil.

So pretty much, we are all evil, we all do something bad that contradicts with what other people think are right and wrong. And those people are still gonna think those other people are evil.

So, maybe you don't think anyone is evil, but when somebody calls you evil, and you shove 'YOu only think that because your morals contradict mine' in their face, they're still gonna think you're evil.

Therefore, we are all subjected to being called evil by our fellow persons. So evil is different within each of us, so you can't group it as a whole, it either is or isn't.

You're saying, that seeing as how morals and ethics differ everywhere, evil cannot exist, because what we find evil differs. Or you could say, Evil is everywhere, each of us just define it differently.

I think setting a cat on fire is evil, someone else might think, hey that's pretty funny. In my mind, it's evil. in their mind, not so evil. But then I think these people are evil for not thinking it is evil, so in the end all who think it is funny are evil, and all who do it are evil; TO ME.

You're saying, evil cannot exist, because we can't find a common basis for it. Where as we're saying, evil does exist, we just have varying basis for it, everywhere.

ANd now I'm just babbling, so excuse me cause I'm really not making sense anymore, blame it on lack of sleep, and six page history project >____> I will now try to pass on what I'm thinking to you telepathically, without the use of words, and sentences that make sense. Tell me if it works.

P.S my bellybutton is named jane xDDD I am soo hyper...

fieldscarcrow · 10-10-2005, 12:35 AM

*waves to jane*True,but isnt evil the act of witch god and or the devil judge us by...so is everyone that calls me evil or u evil the supposid cathlic god,or anti-christ...wow,iv met a different god,about 12 times

DarkAztek · 10-10-2005, 10:19 AM

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Humanity itself is based apon ideas and the freedome to repersent and express those opions

Says who? How was humanity based upon freedom? Seems to me that what we consider "freedom" hasn't existed in a long while and still only relatively exists now.

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You know, in all simplicity, Evil is a word, in the english language, and all other languages. If we can't call ourselves evil, who the hell else are we gonna call evil? Somebody or something has to be evil, there is a word for it, for a reason. Evil in our minds, differs in each of us. But comparing humans to everything else in the world, we are evil.

Why? Would "evil" exist if we didn't have a word for it?

LightDreamer, do you consider yourself evil? If so, then you are. I don't, so you're not.

And you really just proved me right. Morality IS selective. I don't find setting a cat to be evil, for a cat has no soul and is not a person. Setting it on fire for my own amusement is not evil and is not immoral. Therefore, I am still being moral as I see it. I am not evil. If you did it and you felt it WAS immoral, you are evil. How can it exist like this? How can it be evil in some situations and not in others? Simple, because it is defined as different people see fit. For evil, such a broad description of something, because of this, cannot truly exist. There is no universal evil as some like to think.

Belly button Jane? That should be the name of a band.

fieldscarcrow · 10-10-2005, 01:19 PM

Well if i can go outside and say "I HATE AMERICA I HOPE IT BURNS" and i dont get aressted i consider that the freedom to express myself

LightDreamer · 10-10-2005, 01:32 PM

Now that I've got my wits about me, I can try and re-itterate wat I was trying to say yesturday...[I so did not spell re-iterate rite.. ._.]

Yeah I consider myself evil >=]

It doesn't matter whether or not these people think it's evil or not, becuase I think they're evil. And as long as people have the ability to think people are evil, then people are evil! and rather than deciding that nobody 'could' be evil, because there's bound to be someone who thinks it's not evil, you could just say that everybody IS evil.

BEcause even these people who rape and kill must have some idea what is and what isn't evil. Maybe they think prosecuting rapists is evil. Therefore If people who think rapists are evil, and rapists think that the people who think rapists are evil, are evil. then the whole lot of them, are evil! So instead of two people thinking that each other are evil and making them cancel each other out, they just both end up evil.

And now that I know of these women being raped than stoned, and how some people think it's alright. I still think it is evil. And whether they like it or not. I think they are evil.

ANd now that you know of these people, I must ask you, do YOU think it is evil? because what is and what isn't evil isn't decided by what others think, it is found from what you think. That is why in anyone, the moral definition of evil will change. ANd if you were to tell me that since these people have no problem with it, you don't think it's evil either. I just might think you are evil. YOu are then added to my list of people who are evil.

You obviously have a strong sense of what is wrong and what is right, could you honestly tell me you have no problem with people saying that all gays should be shot, and still believe these people are 'good'. Nobody alive can ever be entirely 'good' [which is the other half of the debate] Humans aren't good, never wil be. No sole human is in every which way good.

Therefore evil exists, especially within humans, who think at a far bigger capacity than animals, who usually only kill for food and or protecting territory/clans etc. Evil has to exist, or we'd be lost and probably dead. So if humans aren't evil, than something has to be.

DarkAztek · 10-10-2005, 03:46 PM

LD, you keep thinking that these people think like you. They don't. Would you say eating a hamburger is evil? No? Well in India, they beg to differ. It IS evil to them. In certain Arab countries, it is NOT EVIL to kill a girl who was raped because of the idea that "she brought this sin upon herself and shamed her whole family." You can think they are evil all you want. They don't. THAT IS WHY MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE.

I think that keying a person's car is evil. Others don't. It all depends upon the culture you were brought up in and your own personal experiences. It also depends if there is an overall judgement figure. The sole reason that people don't do certain acts is because if they did, they would get arrested/fined/given the death penalty.

I have my own morals and I personally find just killing someone to be horrific if done for no reason at all. But guess what? Other people DON'T. To me, they are evil. To them, they are good or neutral or whatever.

Because of morality being completely and utterly subjective from situation to situation, from person to person, from culture to culture, etc., there is no real definition of what is evil or not. You cannot give me a single example that every single person in the world considers to be evil. Your previous one about killing parents for their inheritence... Nope. We've got people with antisocial personality disorders. Sorry. You cannot prove objective morality.

flareofdragon · 10-10-2005, 04:31 PM

Among the things that DarkAztec has brought up, evil and good is also situational. For example, killing a baby is wrong (a born living baby) but some will find it very moral to kill baby Hitler. Raping is "evil" but if that rape brough a very snobbish woman to be more generous to poor people, what she did would be a good thing right?

Thats why I think that humans just made an area of grey and tried to purposely set up barriers so they could see light and dark.

LightDreamer · 10-10-2005, 05:54 PM

Who exactly are 'These people' and if these people THINK I'm evil, than I'm evil! That's wat I'm saying! How can people not be evil, if everywhere you go everyone else is thinking everything or everyone else is evil! So in the end, there is probably not one person alive that is not doing something something evil in the mind of someone else, tehrefore EVERYONE IS EVIL!

And I don't get it >< now you're calling people evil when throughout this arguement ur saying evil doesn't exist o.O WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON!!!!

There is no sole definition of evil, there are LOTS of definitions of evil, differing in every person. Who said we needed one definition of evil that everyone can leach onto, that's where free will of mind comes in. That doesn't make a person NOT evil, and it doesn't make EVIL vanish! Just because there are one or two other people who don't find it evil, these one or two people probably find something else evil! and thus continues the circle of everyone thinks everyone else is evil, and by seeing this we can probably figure out that everysingle person on this planet IS EVIL. Humans are EVIL because they have the ability to find OTHER people evil, and judge, and be discriminatory.

Compare us to other species, we're evil! deal with it >_>

I wil repeat 'Humans have to be the only species on earth that can hate one another' [We're evil because we have brains that THINK on their OWN and decide things that contradict other people. Wolves don't do that, they have one set of laws, you kill you eat, you stay away from other wolves food, you breed, you protect, and then you die! Where as we have a million different rules everywhere, making it impossible for a single person to NOT be evil]

TADA. FINIT

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10-09-2005, 07:22 PM	#16
Akatsuki Shinobi Guy with a bag of Oranges Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: canada Posts: 1,700 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	right, but, even if it is like that every where, there is a moral right withine ous all, the most basic of basic's that we hAVE, about rights, and the worth of people to others, we all have this, once in a while when someone like this comes along in one of those society, they are usually percicuted , and then used as an example to others, used to put them at fear of percicucion. wich would be bad, not evil, but bad, but any ways, DA, we all have are thoughs, and they are all different, so, whats the point in arguing. everyone has evil and good!!!!! (just vewed differently) __________________ my creations AMV's Uchiha rage 2.0 here Fuuma revival amv here Grudge for my former sensei here Kimimaro's last dance here Temari Shinobi of the Wind here A hyuga's destiny here Black cat amv Chronos's assault team Kerberos here Creed's power here proud member of The Geijutsuka Crew (TGC)

10-09-2005, 09:53 PM	#17
KyoichiKanami R.I.P Richard Pryor 12/1/1940 - 12/10/2005 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nunya Age: 22 Posts: 936 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I believe most humans, by the general defenition of evil, do fall into that category somehow. However, because of the various different kinds of evil, we can't define someone as completely evil or completely good. So, I voted for neutral. I will say that this is where I stand: I, hypothetically could run someone over intentionally, then turn around and give whatever I get from winning that case to an orphanage. So no human really is more evil than another. Unless you're the head of the voice and editing department of 4Kids. In which case you are truly evil and should be bludgeoned with a large piece of burnt toast. __________________ The Dai-Gurren Dan! Kicking reason to the curb and piercing through heaven!

10-09-2005, 10:09 PM	#18
Rockshmo Vizual Assassin Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Jersey Age: 25 Posts: 564 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Evil of course. For the most part.. Yes being obese is the same as being EVIL! tallys up obese Americans shit.. I gotta get the hell outta here. __________________

10-09-2005, 11:38 PM	#20
LightDreamer Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 22 Posts: 741 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	I would consider, killing ones parents off in order to get their inhertance and what not evil. I would consider killing ones parents off with a bat in order to get their inheritance evil. I believe that crosses the line in everyone's ethics book =T except of course the ones who done it. Unless of course it says somewhere you're allowed to do that and not get prosecuted =T, even in the place where you get rapped you get stoned thing happens, I doubt there's a place on this earth where you could do it and still have people say, hey! It's okay! We do it all the time here. It probably isn't as bad as the rape, stone-ing, father dancing, but it still isn't accepted. Still considered evil. Because the rape...yada has something to do with their...iunno religion? [Don't hurt me, I have no idea where they do this or why] Parent killing is just for ones own selfishness. And anywhere, selfishness is a type of evil...I think o.O __________________ GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (now imagine that 100 billion decibels louder than your average fire truck alarm and you will get the summation of my feelings towards your childish bickering) -- If you gave me the letters hrt you could give me [ea] to get h[ea]rt or [u] to get h[u]rt, but I'd rather have hurt than a heart without [u] - GOD I love that. You could give me a hundred thousand million years and I wouldn't have thought of that. -- All this time I've spent trying to change into someone you would love, I didn't notice you changed into someone I can't love anymore. Goodbye My King . --- The adulation of strangers.

10-10-2005, 12:07 AM	#21
DarkAztek Sand Man Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 30 Posts: 3,324 Thanks: 64 Thanked 583 Times in 190 Posts	Let me first share with you the very definition of Morality. Also bringing up the definition of Moral. And in case anyone needs it for a recap, Subjective. The argument that I am going to bring up here in this case is that no where in the actual definition of the term Morality or Moral, does it actually specify what is right and wrong in the terms of Morality. In fact, the only thing it says that is close is “conformity to the ideals of right human conduct”. But we all have different ideas of how to treat each other don’t we? Without a given context, whether that be; philosophical, religious, political, numerical or instinctual, morality cannot be put into perspective. But even given all said contexts, it still changes from one to the next. What is morally good for politics isn’t necessarily morally good for religion, etc. Even a serial killer could still hold to his own moral code of conduct. Regardless of whether or not anyone would agree with him, he would still have his own personal morality. Morality cannot simply be discussed as such by itself, or you would get into concepts of what morality takes precedence in any given situation. The only real thing anyone can do is tack on the additional context of which to apply the morality to. You can’t simply say “this is wrong” because it doesn’t really mean anything. In order to get your point across accurately enough you would have to say something along the lines of “this is wrong in this way because…” A democratic is not going to convince a republican they are wrong based on generalized morality at all the same way a Christian is not going to convince a Satanist they are wrong based on generalized morality, etc. Just because someone disagrees with your view point, that does not make them Immoral. Technically speaking, everyone has their own perception of right and wrong, so I don’t think anyone could really be immoral anyway. Again the only time immorality can apply, would be in confliction with another’s morality in any given context as well. They become immoral because they do not hold the same moral principles that you do. It still doesn’t really make them immoral, because they just have a different moral code then you do. So again they aren’t really being immoral, they’re just disagreeing with you. So in conclusion, I believe Morality to be purely subjective. Unless someone has some good arguments to convince otherwise? It is fairly to see cultures and beliefs structures have varying forms of morality. But even individuals in said cultures can have different moralities as well. Let’s take Democracy for example. Most people that actually live in one think it’s a pretty slick idea. Everyone has rights and a voice right? So sure, it’s a great idea. But you also have people in the same culture who believe in democracy throw it out the window every so often. Example, Joe Schmoe is a democratic citizen. He loves personal freedoms, etc. But he is also religious, so he understands that God is on high and whatnot. He continually sacrifices his own personal freedoms (and sometimes the freedoms of others) when doing God’s will instead of his own. Example, Susan Schmoe is a republican and a staunch supported of pro life causes. She doesn’t see any reason why anyone would want to have an abortion, etc. But she is taken advantage of an gets pregnant, now she finally comes to the realization that maybe there are good enough reasons. So in many cases, culture, personal, etc, each situation can alter the perceptions of morality. While granted, there is normally a ‘usual’ or ‘standard’ set or moral principles in any society, those even change in different circumstances. Because morality is subjective, good and evil do not really exist. Good and evil exist by our own definition of morality. The ideal of a universally objective morality could theoretically exist, but can’t realistically due to human nature. __________________ [CENTER] Nam Myōhō Renge Kyō[/CENTER] [CENTER] [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/HookerBodyShots/shark.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER] [center][b]Filler content[/b][/center]

10-10-2005, 12:26 AM	#22
fieldscarcrow Missing-Nin Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Long island, New york Age: 21 Posts: 1,729 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Humanity itself is based apon ideas and the freedome to repersent and express those opions,if some guy dose somthing to a lil girl and then hold her for randsom or the other way around,he is expressing his mental persona.It by law is a horrible and an unhumanly act,but were not god,and we cant say that because some guy gets hard ons for lil girls that he is the repersenitive of the devil,or is doing unholy acts.Maby god is not doing anything to these people cause he set a code of ethics and for every person,he checks off a list of things he wasnt that person to abide by.Like god will say "Ok,he raped a lil girl,so hes not getting a check mark on helping fellow humans,he didnt kill her so ill give him a check for not staining his hands with her blood" or somthing like that.So we as humans have no right to has who is an evil person or someone that is good,we are nothing but the audience in the jury of ethics Vs humanity,and god is the judge.So i think those who die of non-bodie made deaths were the bad ones,they did 2 out of 3 things rong,so god just us to do 2 things right and we wont get pealed off the bumper of a bus.And those of us who die a naturle death,were the redemtion of the sinners.

10-10-2005, 12:30 AM	#23
LightDreamer Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 22 Posts: 741 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	You know, in all simplicity, Evil is a word, in the english language, and all other languages. If we can't call ourselves evil, who the hell else are we gonna call evil? Somebody or something has to be evil, there is a word for it, for a reason. Evil in our minds, differs in each of us. But comparing humans to everything else in the world, we are evil. So pretty much, we are all evil, we all do something bad that contradicts with what other people think are right and wrong. And those people are still gonna think those other people are evil. So, maybe you don't think anyone is evil, but when somebody calls you evil, and you shove 'YOu only think that because your morals contradict mine' in their face, they're still gonna think you're evil. Therefore, we are all subjected to being called evil by our fellow persons. So evil is different within each of us, so you can't group it as a whole, it either is or isn't. You're saying, that seeing as how morals and ethics differ everywhere, evil cannot exist, because what we find evil differs. Or you could say, Evil is everywhere, each of us just define it differently. I think setting a cat on fire is evil, someone else might think, hey that's pretty funny. In my mind, it's evil. in their mind, not so evil. But then I think these people are evil for not thinking it is evil, so in the end all who think it is funny are evil, and all who do it are evil; TO ME. You're saying, evil cannot exist, because we can't find a common basis for it. Where as we're saying, evil does exist, we just have varying basis for it, everywhere. ANd now I'm just babbling, so excuse me cause I'm really not making sense anymore, blame it on lack of sleep, and six page history project >____> I will now try to pass on what I'm thinking to you telepathically, without the use of words, and sentences that make sense. Tell me if it works. P.S my bellybutton is named jane xDDD I am soo hyper... __________________ GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (now imagine that 100 billion decibels louder than your average fire truck alarm and you will get the summation of my feelings towards your childish bickering) -- If you gave me the letters hrt you could give me [ea] to get h[ea]rt or [u] to get h[u]rt, but I'd rather have hurt than a heart without [u] - GOD I love that. You could give me a hundred thousand million years and I wouldn't have thought of that. -- All this time I've spent trying to change into someone you would love, I didn't notice you changed into someone I can't love anymore. Goodbye My King . --- The adulation of strangers.

10-10-2005, 12:35 AM	#24
fieldscarcrow Missing-Nin Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Long island, New york Age: 21 Posts: 1,729 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	waves to janeTrue,but isnt evil the act of witch god and or the devil judge us by...so is everyone that calls me evil or u evil the supposid cathlic god,or anti-christ...wow,iv met a different god,about 12 times

10-10-2005, 01:19 PM	#26
fieldscarcrow Missing-Nin Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Long island, New york Age: 21 Posts: 1,729 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Well if i can go outside and say "I HATE AMERICA I HOPE IT BURNS" and i dont get aressted i consider that the freedom to express myself

10-10-2005, 01:32 PM	#27
LightDreamer Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 22 Posts: 741 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Now that I've got my wits about me, I can try and re-itterate wat I was trying to say yesturday...[I so did not spell re-iterate rite.. ._.] Yeah I consider myself evil >=] It doesn't matter whether or not these people think it's evil or not, becuase I think they're evil. And as long as people have the ability to think people are evil, then people are evil! and rather than deciding that nobody 'could' be evil, because there's bound to be someone who thinks it's not evil, you could just say that everybody IS evil. BEcause even these people who rape and kill must have some idea what is and what isn't evil. Maybe they think prosecuting rapists is evil. Therefore If people who think rapists are evil, and rapists think that the people who think rapists are evil, are evil. then the whole lot of them, are evil! So instead of two people thinking that each other are evil and making them cancel each other out, they just both end up evil. And now that I know of these women being raped than stoned, and how some people think it's alright. I still think it is evil. And whether they like it or not. I think they are evil. ANd now that you know of these people, I must ask you, do YOU think it is evil? because what is and what isn't evil isn't decided by what others think, it is found from what you think. That is why in anyone, the moral definition of evil will change. ANd if you were to tell me that since these people have no problem with it, you don't think it's evil either. I just might think you are evil. YOu are then added to my list of people who are evil. You obviously have a strong sense of what is wrong and what is right, could you honestly tell me you have no problem with people saying that all gays should be shot, and still believe these people are 'good'. Nobody alive can ever be entirely 'good' [which is the other half of the debate] Humans aren't good, never wil be. No sole human is in every which way good. Therefore evil exists, especially within humans, who think at a far bigger capacity than animals, who usually only kill for food and or protecting territory/clans etc. Evil has to exist, or we'd be lost and probably dead. So if humans aren't evil, than something has to be. __________________ GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (now imagine that 100 billion decibels louder than your average fire truck alarm and you will get the summation of my feelings towards your childish bickering) -- If you gave me the letters hrt you could give me [ea] to get h[ea]rt or [u] to get h[u]rt, but I'd rather have hurt than a heart without [u] - GOD I love that. You could give me a hundred thousand million years and I wouldn't have thought of that. -- All this time I've spent trying to change into someone you would love, I didn't notice you changed into someone I can't love anymore. Goodbye My King . --- The adulation of strangers.

10-10-2005, 03:46 PM	#28
DarkAztek Sand Man Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 30 Posts: 3,324 Thanks: 64 Thanked 583 Times in 190 Posts	LD, you keep thinking that these people think like you. They don't. Would you say eating a hamburger is evil? No? Well in India, they beg to differ. It IS evil to them. In certain Arab countries, it is NOT EVIL to kill a girl who was raped because of the idea that "she brought this sin upon herself and shamed her whole family." You can think they are evil all you want. They don't. THAT IS WHY MORALITY IS SUBJECTIVE. I think that keying a person's car is evil. Others don't. It all depends upon the culture you were brought up in and your own personal experiences. It also depends if there is an overall judgement figure. The sole reason that people don't do certain acts is because if they did, they would get arrested/fined/given the death penalty. I have my own morals and I personally find just killing someone to be horrific if done for no reason at all. But guess what? Other people DON'T. To me, they are evil. To them, they are good or neutral or whatever. Because of morality being completely and utterly subjective from situation to situation, from person to person, from culture to culture, etc., there is no real definition of what is evil or not. You cannot give me a single example that every single person in the world considers to be evil. Your previous one about killing parents for their inheritence... Nope. We've got people with antisocial personality disorders. Sorry. You cannot prove objective morality. __________________ [CENTER] Nam Myōhō Renge Kyō[/CENTER] [CENTER] [IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/HookerBodyShots/shark.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER] [center][b]Filler content[/b][/center]

10-10-2005, 04:31 PM	#29
flareofdragon Hunter-Nin Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,055 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Among the things that DarkAztec has brought up, evil and good is also situational. For example, killing a baby is wrong (a born living baby) but some will find it very moral to kill baby Hitler. Raping is "evil" but if that rape brough a very snobbish woman to be more generous to poor people, what she did would be a good thing right? Thats why I think that humans just made an area of grey and tried to purposely set up barriers so they could see light and dark. __________________ freerice.com flareofdragon.deviantart.com

10-10-2005, 05:54 PM	#30
LightDreamer Jounin Join Date: Nov 2004 Age: 22 Posts: 741 Thanks: 1 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Who exactly are 'These people' and if these people THINK I'm evil, than I'm evil! That's wat I'm saying! How can people not be evil, if everywhere you go everyone else is thinking everything or everyone else is evil! So in the end, there is probably not one person alive that is not doing something something evil in the mind of someone else, tehrefore EVERYONE IS EVIL! And I don't get it >< now you're calling people evil when throughout this arguement ur saying evil doesn't exist o.O WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON!!!! There is no sole definition of evil, there are LOTS of definitions of evil, differing in every person. Who said we needed one definition of evil that everyone can leach onto, that's where free will of mind comes in. That doesn't make a person NOT evil, and it doesn't make EVIL vanish! Just because there are one or two other people who don't find it evil, these one or two people probably find something else evil! and thus continues the circle of everyone thinks everyone else is evil, and by seeing this we can probably figure out that everysingle person on this planet IS EVIL. Humans are EVIL because they have the ability to find OTHER people evil, and judge, and be discriminatory. Compare us to other species, we're evil! deal with it >_> I wil repeat 'Humans have to be the only species on earth that can hate one another' [We're evil because we have brains that THINK on their OWN and decide things that contradict other people. Wolves don't do that, they have one set of laws, you kill you eat, you stay away from other wolves food, you breed, you protect, and then you die! Where as we have a million different rules everywhere, making it impossible for a single person to NOT be evil] TADA. FINIT __________________ GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (now imagine that 100 billion decibels louder than your average fire truck alarm and you will get the summation of my feelings towards your childish bickering) -- If you gave me the letters hrt you could give me [ea] to get h[ea]rt or [u] to get h[u]rt, but I'd rather have hurt than a heart without [u] - GOD I love that. You could give me a hundred thousand million years and I wouldn't have thought of that. -- All this time I've spent trying to change into someone you would love, I didn't notice you changed into someone I can't love anymore. Goodbye My King . --- The adulation of strangers.

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